If the Federation lost to the Galactic Empire

[-Brett-]

Not really sure why the cross over has to be brought into this. A Federation conquered by the Galactic Empire would probably look fairly similar to a Federation conquered by the Klingons, Romulans, or Dominion.

 

[Mister Fandango]

One word: Technobabble.

Starfleet wins.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The Federation is tiny compared to the Galactic Empire. It would absorb the member planets and barely notice. The Empire with Star Fleet technology at it's disposal would be a frightening prospect.

Then how did the tiny Rebellion defeat the Empire/liberate the worlds of that galaxy?

Also, the Empire can whip up some new clones who are loyal and basically have a never ending Army,

Then the Federation should create several Genesis torpedoes, and fire them into the Courscant system, and all systems where cloning facilities exist. Cut the Imperial "head" and the "hands" off. Problem solved.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It shocks me every time a Trekkie rolls out this canard, given how many times in every series transporters have been jammed, malfunctioned or simply screwed up by things as innocuous as bad weather...and the supposition that the Empire is too stupid to figure that out and ramp up their R&D accordingly. It's a GALACTIC Empire. Galactic Empires are not created by morons.

..but apparently, they were the same Brainiacs who developed a Death Star with an easily exploited exhaust port, thus the innumerable amount of financing, manpower, staffing and equipment used to build, then maintain the Death Star went up in smoke. Talk about government waste.

Next, there's the 2nd Death Star, where--in some inexplicable fashion--they created a slightly winding tunnel (near-perfect fit for the protagonists' ships) straight to the reactor.

Then, one, lone fighter managed to crash into Admiral Piett's Star Destroyer bridge--with shields and lasers firing at it. The big, bad Executor was destroyed by one, tiny fighter. What do you think the Enterprise would do to that destroyer?

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

 

[Nerys Myk]

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

It's called a "midi-chlorian".

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

It's called a "midi-chlorian".

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1, for as much importance was placed on the level of it in Skywalker(s).

 

[sojourner]

The Federation is tiny compared to the Galactic Empire. It would absorb the member planets and barely notice. The Empire with Star Fleet technology at it's disposal would be a frightening prospect.

Then how did the tiny Rebellion defeat the Empire/liberate the worlds of that galaxy?

I don't care. the OP questioned what would happen if the federation had been conquered by the empire, not if it could be conquered.

 

[-Brett-]

Then the Federation should create several Genesis torpedoes, and fire them into the Courscant system, and all systems where cloning facilities exist. Cut the Imperial "head" and the "hands" off. Problem solved.

There are times when I wonder if Star Trek fans have ever seen Star Trek.

 

[Silvercrest]

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

It's called a "midi-chlorian".

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1, for as much importance was placed on the level of it in Skywalker(s).

Okay, how would you rationalize the SW moron gene?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Then the Federation should create several Genesis torpedoes, and fire them into the Courscant system, and all systems where cloning facilities exist. Cut the Imperial "head" and the "hands" off. Problem solved.

There are times when I wonder if Star Trek fans have ever seen Star Trek.

Oooh! Inappropriate snark!

This is speculation. The Genesis formula did not die with David. Moreover, Spock was quite clear about what would happen if used on existing life:

McCOY: But, dear Lord, do you think we're intelligent enough to... Suppose, what if this thing were used where life already exists?

SPOCK: It would destroy such life in favor of its new matrix.

That is the point you seemed to miss.

It's called a "midi-chlorian".

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1, for as much importance was placed on the level of it in Skywalker(s).

Okay, how would you rationalize the SW moron gene?

It cannot be rationalized, as key events were built on the notion of a mighty galactic empire somehow being powerful enough to subjugate the galaxy, yet create vehicles and space stations with easily exploitable "weak spots." The OP's premise fails to a large degree, as the Empire's assbrained "ultimate" weapons were anything but, while their destroyers could be eliminated with something as tiny as the A-Wing fighter hitting the bridge.

Considering the small, underfunded Rebellion's success in flattening the Empire, how would this same Empire stand against a Federation--all its member systems contain?

 

[-Brett-]

Then the Federation should create several Genesis torpedoes, and fire them into the Courscant system, and all systems where cloning facilities exist. Cut the Imperial "head" and the "hands" off. Problem solved.

There are times when I wonder if Star Trek fans have ever seen Star Trek.

Oooh! Inappropriate snark!

This is speculation. The Genesis formula did not die with David. Moreover, Spock was quite clear about what would happen if used on existing life:

Okay. I was actually referring to the perception of the Federation as a band of genocidal mass murderers.

 

[Stephen!]

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1

Well, unless you count Clone Wars

edit - And also Revenge of the Sith

"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life "

 

[Cato]

The Federation is tiny compared to the Galactic Empire. It would absorb the member planets and barely notice. The Empire with Star Fleet technology at it's disposal would be a frightening prospect.

Then how did the tiny Rebellion defeat the Empire/liberate the worlds of that galaxy?

Also, the Empire can whip up some new clones who are loyal and basically have a never ending Army,

Then the Federation should create several Genesis torpedoes, and fire them into the Courscant system, and all systems where cloning facilities exist. Cut the Imperial "head" and the "hands" off. Problem solved.

But the question is how far will the Federation go to achieve victory? The Empire has no moral scruples.

 

[T'Girl]

If the Empire(star wars) defeated the federation what would it do with all its new planets and people ...

The Empire would "add them" to the the rest of the people and planets that support the rebellion.

...and what would happen to the Starfleet men and women after they surrender and [their] ships.

They would join forces with the rebellion.

As we all know, the rebellion eventual wins.

The Empire only exists for what, twenty-five years or so?

 

[Silvercrest]

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1, for as much importance was placed on the level of it in Skywalker(s).

Okay, how would you rationalize the SW moron gene?

It cannot be rationalized, as key events were built on the notion of a mighty galactic empire somehow being powerful enough to subjugate the galaxy, yet create vehicles and space stations with easily exploitable "weak spots."

Considering the small, underfunded Rebellion's success in flattening the Empire, how would this same Empire stand against a Federation--all its member systems contain?

Oh, I'm not trying to defend a possible Empire victory. I'm just pointing out that silly bit of technobabble is as useful as anything to rationalize the inconsistency you so correctly point out.

In other words, it makes tongue-in-cheek sense that the "Moron Gene" consists of "midichlorians" ... inasmuch as SW makes sense at all.

Personally I think the two universes are so inconsistent with each other (and also internally, esp. with Trek) that comparisons between the two will always come up short.

And no one has answered my earlier query about whether the Galactic Empire is ever shown onscreen to actually be galactic in scale, or if that's just the name.

After all, does the name "Romulan Star Empire" mean it incorporates just a single star? All the stars in existence? Or is it just a name?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...that is never to be uttered again after Episode 1

Well, unless you count Clone Wars

edit - And also Revenge of the Sith

"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life "

You are right...but the terrible thing about that, is Anakin--the so-called "hero" of that period--is so simple-minded, he believed every word fed to him. If he is the driving force (no pun intended) behind securing power, then it is no wonder the Empire did not last long.

 

[Unicron]

..but apparently, they were the same Brainiacs who developed a Death Star with an easily exploited exhaust port, thus the innumerable amount of financing, manpower, staffing and equipment used to build, then maintain the Death Star went up in smoke. Talk about government waste.

Next, there's the 2nd Death Star, where--in some inexplicable fashion--they created a slightly winding tunnel (near-perfect fit for the protagonists' ships) straight to the reactor.

Then, one, lone fighter managed to crash into Admiral Piett's Star Destroyer bridge--with shields and lasers firing at it. The big, bad Executor was destroyed by one, tiny fighter. What do you think the Enterprise would do to that destroyer?

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJvptXsv4w[/yt]

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

..but apparently, they were the same Brainiacs who developed a Death Star with an easily exploited exhaust port, thus the innumerable amount of financing, manpower, staffing and equipment used to build, then maintain the Death Star went up in smoke. Talk about government waste.

Next, there's the 2nd Death Star, where--in some inexplicable fashion--they created a slightly winding tunnel (near-perfect fit for the protagonists' ships) straight to the reactor.

Then, one, lone fighter managed to crash into Admiral Piett's Star Destroyer bridge--with shields and lasers firing at it. The big, bad Executor was destroyed by one, tiny fighter. What do you think the Enterprise would do to that destroyer?

One could argue that the moron gene is strong in this Galactic Empire.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJvptXsv4w[/yt]

That was timely and priceless!

 

[Set Harth]

Anakin--the so-called "hero" of that period--is so simple-minded, he believed every word fed to him.

Which happened to be the truth.

So, it's the "simple-minded" people who believe truth, and it's the "smart" people who believe lies.

Ah yes--the shoehorned "explanation" for something beyond science...

Nope. As usual the Padomay crowd gets this wrong. It's the explanation for something else, and it's better than "just because".

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Anakin--the so-called "hero" of that period--is so simple-minded, he believed every word fed to him.

Which happened to be the truth.

So, it's the "simple-minded" people who believe truth, and it's the "smart" people who believe lies.

Anakin was fed a pile of steaming BS about some mythical Sith creating life/stopping people from dying, and that the Jedi lied to him. Palpatine was telling so bad, only a dead man would not pick up on that, yet thick-as-a-brick Anakin swallowed it all.

He was an idiot of the worst kind.

Lucas only added insult to injury in the set-up of his empire by showing Anakin/young Vader to be so dense.