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"One of our chief engineers..."

The 18 crewmembers lost because of the cutting beam in Q Who? That'd be all the other chief engineers. ;)

The Borg found the remains of Lynch so insulting that they decided to accelerate their takeover of humanity.
 
As he held the rank of Lt. Commander, it's unlikely that he wasn't doing a chief engineer stint at that moment.

I don't quite see that. If he were a visiting dilithium specialist, he could hold any rank, but a high one would actually be more likely, as he would be a sought-for commodity aboard starships. He could well outrank the Chief Engineer of the ship, much like a visiting medical specialist could have outranked Crusher (say, he could have been a cranky old Admiral who had fond memories of Vulcans).

But I think we can all agree on there being just one important attribute to Mr. Lynch, that of him being gone by the next episode...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The story goes that Roddenberry forgot to include any scenes in Engineering in the pilot, so Paramount refused to build the set. Roddenberry had to rewrite the script to include the Engineering set, otherwise who knows how that might have worked out. But even so, he never thought to have a chief engineer, at least not a real one. Scotty was a popular TOS character, so I wonder why Roddenberry omitted having a chief engineer as part of the main cast.
I think this set was a redress of engineering used in the four original series movies before this. Wasn't a new set built.
 
The story goes that Roddenberry forgot to include any scenes in Engineering in the pilot, so Paramount refused to build the set. Roddenberry had to rewrite the script to include the Engineering set, otherwise who knows how that might have worked out. But even so, he never thought to have a chief engineer, at least not a real one. Scotty was a popular TOS character, so I wonder why Roddenberry omitted having a chief engineer as part of the main cast.
I think this set was a redress of engineering used in the four original series movies before this. Wasn't a new set built.

Building the set of the engine core/Main Engineering (really just a slight extension of the existing corridor set(s)) still was an expense that had to be justified (no matter how thinly) for the pilot in order to start the series since no permanent sets are built during the episodes themselves (as the building of that set comes out of that episode's budget.) That's why Roddenberry wrote the scene in Engineering it justified building the Engineering/warpcore set just in case they ever needed a scene in there in the rest of the season. Otherwise it wouldn't get built and would have to wait until the next season's budget to build new sets. (Which went to building 10-Forward and a permanent sickbay set.)
 
The entire role of the Lynch character in "Arsenal" strongly suggested that he was at that point the highest-ranking non-regular officer on the ship, hence the fact that he was trying to get Geordi to give him command. Between that and him manning the engine room, I don't think there's any need to rationalize some more convoluted role for him in the scheme of things.
 
Wasn't there an Engineer Shimoda at some point? I don't know if he, too, was a Chief or just some ordinary Engineer.
 
The entire role of the Lynch character in "Arsenal" strongly suggested that he was at that point the highest-ranking non-regular officer on the ship, hence the fact that he was trying to get Geordi to give him command. Between that and him manning the engine room, I don't think there's any need to rationalize some more convoluted role for him in the scheme of things.

That'd be Logan. Lynch was actually the guy seen fixing up the dilithium chamber at the very start of "Skin Of Evil".
 
The entire role of the Logan character in "Arsenal" strongly suggested that he was at that point the highest-ranking non-regular officer on the ship, hence the fact that he was trying to get Geordi to give him command.

Him being a lowly Lieutenant sort of undermines that, really. A ship that big should have plenty of people at that rank, and Logan didn't even appear particularly senior in age.

Any officer outranking LaForge could in theory try and challenge him on that basis, although there'd be no real chance of it working because LaForge's position was established by the skipper himself. Logan wouldn't need to be the highest-ranking officer aboard, or the most senior of all Lieutenants, to feel the urge to take over from this annoying junior. He probably wouldn't be the most qualified, either, what with being a yellowshirt.

All that is academical now, though, as dialogue does establish him as Chief Engineer. Alas.

The next season will also establish that a lowly Lieutenant can do the job of all those Lieutenant Commander CEOs we previously saw. One wonders whether Logan might have been Picard's first choice for the ship's "eventual" CEO, a rising star with even more potential than his backup choice LaForge - but lost favor with the stunt of questioning Picard's orders?

Wasn't there an Engineer Shimoda at some point? I don't know if he, too, was a Chief or just some ordinary Engineer.

Shimoda was referred to as Assistant Chief Engineer, the same as Singh. Unlike Singh, he shared an episode with an actual Chief Engineer, in this case "Naked Now" with MacDougal.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The story goes that Roddenberry forgot to include any scenes in Engineering in the pilot, so Paramount refused to build the set. Roddenberry had to rewrite the script to include the Engineering set, otherwise who knows how that might have worked out. But even so, he never thought to have a chief engineer, at least not a real one. Scotty was a popular TOS character, so I wonder why Roddenberry omitted having a chief engineer as part of the main cast.
I think this set was a redress of engineering used in the four original series movies before this. Wasn't a new set built.

Nope a new engineering set was built for TNG which when then re-dressed when used in Star Trek VI. Not sure if it was used in ST V (been a very very long time since I've seen it).
 
I agree they didn't think through the character roles well at the beginning. A good portion of the cast seemed designed to just push buttons on the bridge and say 'Aye sir.'

And Troi's role on the bridge would make much more sense as some kind of diplomacy officer than a therapist.
 
And Troi's role on the bridge would make much more sense as some kind of diplomacy officer than a therapist.
And that's pretty much the role she served on the bridge, consulting Picard on how to handle various situations with either civilians or non-Federation forces. Sometimes she used her Betazoid abilities to keep Picard up to date to how the crew was faring in a tense situation.

Guinan, on the other hand, was more of a therapist, IMO...
 
Guinan, on the other hand, was more of a therapist, IMO...

You clearly don't know what a therapist is or does. It's not someone you just talk to who hands you back wisdom and platitudes. It's a profession that requires training and skill in how to properly handle people with emotional problems. Guinan may have been good to talk to and had a lot of wisdom but she wasn't a therapist.
 
The story goes that Roddenberry forgot to include any scenes in Engineering in the pilot, so Paramount refused to build the set. Roddenberry had to rewrite the script to include the Engineering set, otherwise who knows how that might have worked out. But even so, he never thought to have a chief engineer, at least not a real one. Scotty was a popular TOS character, so I wonder why Roddenberry omitted having a chief engineer as part of the main cast.
I think this set was a redress of engineering used in the four original series movies before this. Wasn't a new set built.

Nope a new engineering set was built for TNG which when then re-dressed when used in Star Trek VI. Not sure if it was used in ST V (been a very very long time since I've seen it).

The set plans indicate clearly that the engineering set was built directly around the existing TMP engine room set, and in fact incorporated aspects of it directly into it's structure, mainly around the warp core itself. So while it was a new set, it was also a sort-of-kind-of redress of the TMP set as well.
 
Has this one really come up again! :lol:

To the people attributing the loss of the Yamato to Leland T. Lynch, or killing him off during the Borg attack in System J29 - he was very much alive and well onboard the Enterprise during Galaxies Child (though this might be seen as retcon due to it being added to the HD remasters).
 
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You clearly don't know what a therapist is or does. It's not someone you just talk to who hands you back wisdom and platitudes. It's a profession that requires training and skill in how to properly handle people with emotional problems. Guinan may have been good to talk to and had a lot of wisdom but she wasn't a therapist.

What's to say she wasn't? She may have had all the sufficient training and more, either formally or informally.

OTOH, somebody with the papers to prove she's a therapist could still be totally incompetent and unable to handle emotional problems. Guinan hasn't demonstrated such failings so far.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Always liked the idea that the ship is so complex it needed a huge staff of engineers.
Which is why the energy trap episode where Geordi flirts around with the holochick is the most ridiculous.
 
Guinan, on the other hand, was more of a therapist, IMO...

You clearly don't know what a therapist is or does. It's not someone you just talk to who hands you back wisdom and platitudes. It's a profession that requires training and skill in how to properly handle people with emotional problems. Guinan may have been good to talk to and had a lot of wisdom but she wasn't a therapist.

Try to stop being so butthurt about a thoughtless remark. He wasn't insulting therapists around the world.
 
Always liked the idea that the ship is so complex it needed a huge staff of engineers.
Which is why the energy trap episode where Geordi flirts around with the holochick is the most ridiculous.

Yeah, like all of Geordi's subordinates are dimwits who aren't smart enough to consult with? Good point, there.

You never know what ideas can be contributed by people, especially in a crisis situation. While hardly a crisis situation, quite a few years ago I was on a camping trip with a bunch of friends,. Turns out the beer keg for the weekend came with a defective, useless tap. What followed was an amazing session of banging ideas together. Utilizing available materials, and lots of ingenuity, about eight guys had manufactured a working keg tap. It was like a thirsty man's Apollo 13. :lol:
 
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