Trek's lowest moment

[Anwar]

Picard was in the middle of dealing with a potential Romulan invasion and investigating the destruction of military bases/deaths of hundreds of Fleet personnel. The whole crew was.

Given the situation and the implications, I think we could cut them some slack.

If you were in the middle of investigating whether a major invasion was about to take place and THEN ran into the 17th Century people, would it be easy for you to take the time to deal with them in the middle of that?

 

[Commishsleer]

Picard was in the middle of dealing with a potential Romulan invasion and investigating the destruction of military bases/deaths of hundreds of Fleet personnel. The whole crew was.

Given the situation and the implications, I think we could cut them some slack.

If you were in the middle of investigating whether a major invasion was about to take place and THEN ran into the 17th Century people, would it be easy for you to take the time to deal with them in the middle of that?

Yet Picard had time to go down to tell Beverley off for saving them.
And then Beverley whined and blamed Data. Like she had done something wrong.

I don't care if Picard didn't want to have a party for them.
Kirk did in the same situation and look where it got him.

I don't understand the point of this episode. It just makes Picard look bad and Riker and Beverley like "Yes" men.

Lucky they didn't continue on this theme in the rest of the series (mostly)

 

[Silvercrest]

21st century realpolitik.

One core element that has drawn me to Star Trek (beginning with TNG) was the fact, that the concept of the show did not only provide a fictuous evolution of technology in the 24th century, but also a fictuous evolution of mankind's culture. The characters on TNG did not behave contemporary.

I disagree. The TNG morality was a starting point, a contrast to what was happening on DS9--it makes it MORE shocking that it happened in the 24th century.

As I've said: The characters cut out the "evolved humanity" nonsense after "Threshold" showed them what they evolving into.

 

[USS KG5]

Turnabout Intruder, the show is axed and goes out with a piece of sexism that was utterly unworthy of the show. While much of the third season plays brilliantly as pure comedy (Spock's Brain is as funny as Airplane) this is just abysmal.

Honourable mentions for "Code of Honor" and "Justice" - bringing crappy 60s writing into the 1980s.

 

[Anwar]

Yet Picard had time to go down to tell Beverley off for saving them.

Well, if there are Romulans planning to invade, then the Enterprise will be the first ship in battle, possibly destroyed and these 20th Century people with them. So they're in even more danger now then when they were frozen.

[auote]I don't care if Picard didn't want to have a party for them.
Kirk did in the same situation and look where it got him. [/quote]

Well, considering how it led to WOK I'm sure Kirk was left thinking "Maybe we shouldn't have helped Khan and his followers..."

 

[Green Shirt]

Hoshi lost her shirt being a hero, no different than what happened to Kirk a dozen times over.

At least she didn't have to shave her chest while forgetting those hairy arms.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I take objection to the frequent characterization of TNG morality as 'Smug'.

The problems humanity has solved by the 24th century in Trek are not positive traits of humanity, they're the things about us we WISH we could solve. Constant warfare, poverty, demographic hatred, acting based on fear. If we ever came to a point in history where we had solved those problems, we should take pride in that. We should take pride that we've ended slavery and cured many horrible diseases, and that there's been a significant reduction of homosexuals being beaten up in the streets. Sure, it goes a little too far when they sterilize human emotion and say we don't even grieve loved ones anymore. But it's no more pompous to be proud of overcoming social problems than it is for us to be proud that we no longer practice slavery.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ It's not pompous to be proud of achievements; it's pompous to treat others badly if they haven't yet made those same achievements.

Good: We are no longer obsessed with wealth and warfare.

Bad: Anyone who still is, is a backward hick and deserves to be mocked, ha ha ha.

 

[Cyke101]

^ It's not pompous to be proud of achievements; it's pompous to treat others badly if they haven't yet made those same achievements.

Good: We are no longer obsessed with wealth and warfare.

Bad: Anyone who still is, is a backward hick and deserves to be mocked, ha ha ha.

To add, worse yet, such an attitude of shaming doesn't quite exactly inspire one side to consider the more "elevated" perspective, if all they see is that that smugness is a result of such a perspective. You don't try to convince people to be more progressive by putting them down.

 

[JiNX-01]

Padma Lakshmi. EOD.

Oh, my God, YES. Worst actress ever!!!

 

[T'Girl]

... the first pilot was dismissed as "too cerebral".

But didn't that come from Roddenberry too, he attributed it to the same people who supposedly said that they didn't want a female first officer?

Roddenberry lied about the female XO, maybe he also lied about the first pilot being thought to be "too cerebral."

 

[2takesfrakes]

Everybody lies in entertainment, though. Part of it is that they don't remember most of this shit, half the time. Take George Lucas, for example, as being a known revisionist. He's switched gears, backstepped, exaggerated and outright lied about the entire history of the franchise, over the years. It's just to give the press something to feed the masses with. I do not hold it against Gene Roddenberry for contradicting himself, or whatever ... not one bit. At least William Shatner comes right out and tells it straight: "I don't remember a damn thing I did on STAR TREK! I'm not a fan, I don't watch the show. It was just a job." It may not make for great public relations in fan circles ... but it's certainly refreshing in its candor and honesty!

 

[Isolinear]

Padma Lakshmi. EOD.

Oh, my God, YES. Worst actress ever!!!

Maybe.... maybe not. Another candidate is Kamala Lopez (Tincoo) in VOY's Virtuoso. Badly acted or just a bad actress?

 

[Anwar]

^ It's not pompous to be proud of achievements; it's pompous to treat others badly if they haven't yet made those same achievements.

Good: We are no longer obsessed with wealth and warfare.

Bad: Anyone who still is, is a backward hick and deserves to be mocked, ha ha ha.

That's what Spock did in TOS whenever he went on about how humans were barbarians, no one complained then. Even though knowing what Ancient Vulcans were like made Spock a massive hypocrite.

 

[The Old Mixer]

DS9: Sisko cheating the Romulans into the war and saying, he is fine with that (Quote Picard: "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based. And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform!" Word.)

"I'm not Picard."--Benjamin Sisko

 

[Sindatur]

DS9: Sisko cheating the Romulans into the war and saying, he is fine with that (Quote Picard: "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based. And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform!" Word.)

"I'm not Picard."--Benjamin Sisko

Jean-Luc never hit me"

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Padma Lakshmi. EOD.

Oh, my God, YES. Worst actress ever!!!

Maybe.... maybe not. Another candidate is Kamala Lopez (Tincoo) in VOY's Virtuoso. Badly acted or just a bad actress?

Tincoo, at least, was a conceptually weird role, and all Qomar characters sounded off-kilter. Kaitaama was a stock character that any actress should be able to personify. Lakshmi couldn't even phone in her performance. In almost every other episode of all series, I feel that the actors are trying their hardest, even when the material is weak. Lakshmi was not even trying. And to make matters worse, all the camera work was choreographed around showing off her body.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ It's not pompous to be proud of achievements; it's pompous to treat others badly if they haven't yet made those same achievements.

Good: We are no longer obsessed with wealth and warfare.

Bad: Anyone who still is, is a backward hick and deserves to be mocked, ha ha ha.

That's what Spock did in TOS whenever he went on about how humans were barbarians, no one complained then. Even though knowing what Ancient Vulcans were like made Spock a massive hypocrite.

I never got the impression that Spock was deliberately being mean when he said those things. He always said them with a kind of wink-wink, like he was having a Vulcan joke. He and McCoy clearly enjoyed trading barbs, and yet still respected each other. Spock was not being deliberately insulting, he was just kidding around.

There were actual Vulcans who were much more openly prejudiced, such as Captain Vanik from ENT ("Breaking the Ice") and the Vulcan Science Ministry official from ST XI. But Spock was not one of these.

 

[dub]

DS9: Sisko cheating the Romulans into the war and saying, he is fine with that (Quote Picard: "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based. And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform!" Word.)

"I'm not Picard."--Benjamin Sisko

Word.

 

[Forbin]

These are the Voyages. After three seasons of showing us how bad they are as writers, B&B finally let someone else spend a whole season bringing Trek up out of the muck and actually making it worth watching again... and then yoinked the rug right out from under us with arguably the, poorly written, poorly conceived and most generally insulting Trek episode in Trek history.