Khan's Into Darkness Appearance change finally explained
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They actually shot a scene explaining Carol's accent change, which was cut. That they didn't even shoot one for Khan shows it had even less priority for them.
I think it's more that the IDW comics are just being over-the-top fanwanky, rather than anything in any way deemed necessary by Abrams' people. A Trek novel once tried to explain why the TOS-1701 looked more advanced than the NX-01 Enterprise, for example. Anyone who thinks that was necessary needs a reality check, IMHO.
In Iron Man 3, Ben Kingsley says he got plastic surgery to act as Mandarin. It's a three second line.
Well, Carol's accent is something that would have been noticed by the casual viewers, given her father doesn't have the same accent.
If you want to go there, Iron Man 3 also pulled off a better plot twist with the Mandarin than STID did as Khan.
They wiped his memory, changed his face and put him behind the wheel of the VIPER program?
I think we all know the 'real' reason why Khan became 'white' is because the original actors selected decided for one reason or another decided against being in the movie.
I know some of the other actors in the movie changed eye colour, accent, shape, personality and ethnicity too. The problem with Khan was that in Space Seed his ethnicity was made a big deal (even though it was inaccurate even then). With other TOS 'villains' like Gary Mitchell, Ben Finney, Daystrom, Kodos their ethnicity was never mentioned.
My fanboy explanation is that Khan was planted into a Sikh tribal group as a young boy to learn about warrior techniques and to lead the revolution in India/Pakistan. That he was a Sikh by choice.
I just think its something we gotta live with. Like the other differences between nuTrek and Prime Trek. Like the change of actors/actresses in DS9. Its just unfortunate that they couldn't get a 'Sikh' actor of sufficient 'standing' to play the role. Its just not that big of a deal to me. Lots of other things in nuTrek I'm more concerned about.
While I can accept ther comic explanation of how I just can't accept the reason of why.
I know some of the other actors in the movie changed eye colour, accent, shape, personality and ethnicity too. The problem with Khan was that in Space Seed his ethnicity was made a big deal (even though it was inaccurate even then). With other TOS 'villains' like Gary Mitchell, Ben Finney, Daystrom, Kodos their ethnicity was never mentioned.
My fanboy explanation is that Khan was planted into a Sikh tribal group as a young boy to learn about warrior techniques and to lead the revolution in India/Pakistan. That he was a Sikh by choice.
I just think its something we gotta live with. Like the other differences between nuTrek and Prime Trek. Like the change of actors/actresses in DS9. Its just unfortunate that they couldn't get a 'Sikh' actor of sufficient 'standing' to play the role. Its just not that big of a deal to me. Lots of other things in nuTrek I'm more concerned about.
While I can accept ther comic explanation of how I just can't accept the reason of why.
I thought the real reason was another vain attempt to keep the secret. "Hey guys, they'll never think it's Khan if we make him a white guy!"
^ I do believe in the last round we played of "But Ricardo Montalban Was White So What's The Big Deal," somebody cited Abrams as being supposedly uncomfortable with featuring a South Asian as a villain because 9-11 or something, which hopefully is not true as it would be a fairly lame explanation.
Agreed.
Plus, Khan Prime's skin colour changes between "Space Seed" and WoK anyway. He goes from awful faux-Indian brownface to Montelban's natural white skin tone.
Show me three reviews that recognized this change back when TWOK was released and I'll consider respecting that argument.
Indeed.
In the OP's rush to appear to be the pinnacle of PCness, I'd posit that to me "awful faux Indian brown face" actually sounds hideously racist in itself.
The fact that the OP noticed the brown skin in the first place indicates he is seeing race - I just always assumed Montalban had a healthy tan.
See the dangers with extreme ridiculous PCness? From somebody else's POV you can come across as a hideous "racist" yourself.
How... privileged of you.
I don't know what you see in the OP's post (I've quoted it above yours, for convenience) that you think is evidence of a "rush to appear to be the pinnacle of PCness"; I honestly don't see any point whatsoever in your bringing up that post.Plus, Khan Prime's skin colour changes between "Space Seed" and WoK anyway. He goes from awful faux-Indian brownface to Montelban's natural white skin tone.
Show me three reviews that recognized this change back when TWOK was released and I'll consider respecting that argument.
Indeed.
In the OP's rush to appear to be the pinnacle of PCness, I'd posit that to me "awful faux Indian brown face" actually sounds hideously racist in itself.
The fact that the OP noticed the brown skin in the first place indicates he is seeing race - I just always assumed Montalban had a healthy tan.
See the dangers with extreme ridiculous PCness? From somebody else's POV you can come across as a hideous "racist" yourself.
The balance of your post, however, is going to earn you a trolling warning. Comments to PM, please.
One line (which was flat out said to be a best guess) and a painting (based on said guess) from one character does not a big deal make.
Must... explain... everything.....
Must... reinforce... delusion... that Star Trek... is... real...
Must... reinforce... delusion... that Star Trek... is... real...
That's a great one that I, as a person of color, accept. And Abrams is right on that one.
THIS.
