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How would you Vote in the Trial of Jean Grey?

You verdict.

  • Guilty.

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Not Guilty.

    Votes: 21 87.5%

  • Total voters
    24

Guy Gardener

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Teenage Jean Grey from before X-Men #10, circa 1964, has been living in present day Marvel for quite some time, but now that the Galactic Powers have noticed, they have chosen to put the girl to trial for a genocide committed on her part while she was the Dark Phoenix oh so long ago.

It's a crossover split between All-New X-men and Guardians of Galaxy, both comics are being written by Benids.

We don't know that a guilty verdict means death, so don't let hypothetical sentencing factor into your verdict.

Guilty or Innocent.

The choice is yours.
 
Guilty as sin.

First, I love a sinful gal.

Second, her dying totally turned the comics world around.

Sucks that they retconned it.
 
Not guilty, of course. The Phoenix force hadn't met Jean yet at that point in her timeline. And when it did, it simply adopted her as a proverbial desktop theme while stowing the original away underwater. Dark Phoenix's misdemeanours were not Jean's.
 
Agreed, however the Phoenix COPIED Jeans personality "exactly" and if she had had a better personality, then things might not have gone so ass over tea kettle.

This might be like suing a manufacturer for making a faulty product that kills a few billion people?

(We know this to be true, but either no one told Bendis, which seems impossible, or it is his trump card to win the trial.)

Remember the Trial of Reed Richards?

Lilandra pissed her pants when Odin showed up to give testimony for Reed.

Although the mechanism of sifting a verdict in that trial was a few hundred coloured balloons that changed colour depending on how the room was feeling, each colour delineating a spectrum between absolute innocence and absolute guilt.
 
Given that Dark Phoenix wasn't even Jean (she was in a coma in a cocoon in the bottom of a bay at the time), she has zero culpability for anything Dark Phoenix did. Particularly since this is a Jean from BEFORE IT EVER HAPPENED. The entire premise is extremely flimsy. Particularly since Gladiator has been quite heroic in the past few years in Infinity and War of Kings.
 
Lilandra put Reed Richards to trial for NOT KILLING Galactus when he had the chance, and blamed him therefore for the destruction of the Skrull Homeworld weeks later that the Devourer ate.

It's their modus operandi.

You know what every episode of Scooby Doo taught me?

(And Lex Luthor, and Bill Hicks.)

It's about Land.

Lex Luthor: Miss Teschmacher, when I was six years old my father said to me...
Miss Teschmacher: "Get out."
Lex Luthor: Ha ha. Before that. He said, "Son, stocks may rise and fall, utilities and transportation systems may collapse. People are no damn good, but they will always need land and they'll pay through the nose to get it! Remember," my father said...
Otis: "... land."
Lex Luthor: Right.
(Or in this case space, but it still boils down to real estae.)

The D'Bari system is probably cursed space like the last piece of fried child on the dinner table which no one is asshole enough to take (except for a child of drunk pedo uncle.)

By trying Jean for the destruction of D'Bari under Shi'ar law, that brings D'bari under Shi'ar law, which will clean it up of any folksy doomed mysticism.

Here's the problem with that theory.

In Avenger's Vs X-Men the Phoenix destroyed hundreds of worlds on his way to Earth.

(Although, Galactus is in another universe, so that probably cancels out.)

Meanwhile the war with the builders would have destroyed thousands, if not tens of thousands as systems as wholly as the Dark Phoenix did to D'Bari.

It was something small that happened a very long time ago.

Although the Shi'ar have turned the Phoenix into a power source and even augmented weapons (it was a bloody big sword) with slithers of the phoenix force, which tracks that the avatar of a cosmic force is not the totality of the cosmic force, just like if the avatar of magnitism showed up, you wouldn't expect all magnitism in the universe to vanish if you killed it's avatar (20 years ago there were some brilliant Quasar comics on the subject.).
 
1964 Jean had given birth to Onslaught in Xavier's stunted Libido.

That makes her responsible for a world of chaos and misery.
 
There was a back up story in Classic X-Men... Classic X-men was reprints of old X-men stories which Claremont sometimes randomly added new pages into to flesh out the 70s/80s goodness, followed by a ten page character piece fleshing out the backstory/origin of a relevant character... There was a back up story in Classic X-Men where the Phoenix seduced/picked up Jean Grey like in a dim slut in a singles bar hungry for regret. Y'know, relative hours or coercion squeezed into an instance of real time, but then it's possible that that stuff isn't even canon.
 
Choosing to be the Phoenix, makes you culpable for what the Phoenix does.

Choosing to get drunk, makes you culpable for what you do after you are drunk.

That's what I thought you said, but you don't think that that's what you said.

Now you could have been arguing that alcoholism is a disease, and alcoholics can't stop themselves from taking having another drink and waking up soaking in shame.

That is possible, however as I understand it, which I probably don't, the disease only really kicks in when you reach for your second drink. The first drink is a rational choice, where the drunk in question says "Fuck it, and fuck everything." Just because they can't stop, it doesn't mean that they have to start.
 
Choosing to be the Phoenix, makes you culpable for what the Phoenix does.
She cannot be considered to have given fully informed consent. At the time she was replaced by the Phoenix, she was more concerned with saving her teammates in the crashing space shuttle. But again, the Jean Grey on trial has not made this choice.
 
The difference between consent and informed consent is this... Time.

Informed consent on along enough time scale is impossible.

Have you ever encountered Londo Mollari?

"All I want now is revenge. They took from me the one thing I have ever truly loved. And you will help me, Mr. Morden, to strike them down. Give me this, and the safety of my people, and let the rest of the galaxy burn! I don't care anymore."
 
The nature of wanting something that you can't have is the very model of being in duress.

Have you tried to get a bank loan recently?

I remember an 80s Twilight Zone where the Devil from Hell ran a credit card company, where if you defaulted on your repayments the Devil changed reality to extract components from your life. Started with the Dog, then the Husband, then the kids, then the house, then the car, so in the end she's a homeless woman screaming about a missing mirror universe where she used to be somebody.
 
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