Star Trek 3: Classic Trek or original story?
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Oh yes we do. I would love to see Shatner, if only in the way they were going to put him in the 2009 movie.
As long as Star Trek III has John Larroquette playing a Klingon, I'll be happy.
As in:
Should Shatner be in Star Trek III?
Oui!
We don't need no thought control either. But Abrams and that pesky Jedi mind trick...
I think he meant "oui."
As in:
Should Shatner be in Star Trek III?
Oui!
I don't see how Star Trek XII/III could be anything other than a full scale Klingon war at this point.
New story, if any exist.
If I had to rehash a story or two though, I'd go with Vulcans trying to reforge links with their Romulan brethren, meanwhile Klingons and Star Fleet are involved in numerous battles/border skirmishes. Romulam subterfuge is discovered to be playing a part in the impending war, Kirk manages to bring the Klingons to the peace table and Spock (Prime) does the same with the Romulans. This leads not only to a peace summmit, at Khitomer of course, but a full union between the three powers. Spock (JJverse) is now an ambassador, Kirk gives his 2nd star speech and we pan around the bridge to see a Romulan, Klingon and Andorian on the bridge. Roll credits, after main cast credits we get an all too familiar flash, a familiar voice rings out, no visual, just off screen.
"You're progressing far faster than even I had suspected, your trial will have to be brought forward. You will now answer to the charge of being grievously savage races."
If I had to rehash a story or two though, I'd go with Vulcans trying to reforge links with their Romulan brethren, meanwhile Klingons and Star Fleet are involved in numerous battles/border skirmishes. Romulam subterfuge is discovered to be playing a part in the impending war, Kirk manages to bring the Klingons to the peace table and Spock (Prime) does the same with the Romulans. This leads not only to a peace summmit, at Khitomer of course, but a full union between the three powers. Spock (JJverse) is now an ambassador, Kirk gives his 2nd star speech and we pan around the bridge to see a Romulan, Klingon and Andorian on the bridge. Roll credits, after main cast credits we get an all too familiar flash, a familiar voice rings out, no visual, just off screen.
"You're progressing far faster than even I had suspected, your trial will have to be brought forward. You will now answer to the charge of being grievously savage races."
updated cast
Guest stars- Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan, Alice Eve as Dr Marcus, Bryan Cranston as Colonel Chang, Jason Moma as Capt Kruge, Jeremy Irons as Gorkon, Taylor Kitch as Joachim, Chiwetel Ejiofor as Capt Terrel
*Cameos- Arnold Schwarzenegger - Klingon Emperor, Harrison Ford - Head of Starfleet, Stephen Collins - Admiral Decker, Scott Bakula - Captain Archer, Brent Spiner - Dr Soong, Patrick Stewart - Picards ancestor, Michael Dorn - Worfs ancestor, Leonard Nimoy - Spock Prime, William Shatner - Old Kirk, Richardo Montalban - Khan (CG flashback) ..
Stephen Collins as Matt Decker (father of his character in TMP, hed be older than Matt Deckers supposed to be but then so was Greenwood as Pike)
although it was abit of a fun story now i think about it neither would I..
Gorkon/Worf could oppose Chang/kruge.
khan would be full on 'wrath of khan' khan out for revenge
everything more 'ST Movie' looking in regard to the uniforms, sets, ships, mushroom spacedock etc as itd be set 5 years plus after STID
plus plenty off cameos for the 50th:
Bakula/Spiner as Archer/Soong in an 22nd century Augment opening, or library footage that kirk spock check out to help with khan(maybe even on a holodeck sim to These are the Voyages.. fooling the audience type thing) maybe Spiner as the nut who wakes up Khan (as Arik or Noonian Soong)
Stewart as grandfather Picard (see Generations Picard/Troi scene for potential profession)
Nimoy in something more than phoneaSpock duty. returns to his home timeline?
and Shatner in a fanpleasing end cameo as old Pine Kirk (not Prime Kirk) maybe with old Quinto Spock (something like Cloud Atlas)
Dorn as Worfs grandfather (same character he played in VI but younger. hed be under a ton of makeup so age wouldn't be a problem)
and 1967 Montalban in a CG cameo (like 1984 Arnie in T4, Young Bridges in Tron2) in a flashback showing the end of the Eugenic Wars/Botany Bay/Revival and how he came to have his face changed (currently being explained in the IDW comics)
That wasn't CG Arnie in the same way CG Bridges was CLU. It was actually Roland Kickinger, who played 1970s era Arnie in a biopic:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419125/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_15
He was the body, but he had Arnold's face digitally rendered over top of his.
We absolutely don't need a re-make of the same movie. How would that advance the Star Trek saga? We want new stories, at least the last two movies were original even if they were based in part on (but altered elements of past stories).
ST 09 wasn't really original. It was an entertaining movie, but it too was a bit of a Wrath of Khan /Nemesis rehash.
We've had a final showdown with a giant badass enemy ship for the last three movies now. We've had a punchup with the villain for the last four (including Insurrection)
We've had a final showdown with a giant badass enemy ship for the last three movies now. We've had a punchup with the villain for the last four (including Insurrection)
I wouldn't mind them looking to TOS, and remaking or using ideas from past episodes on the big screen. 'Arena', 'Devil in the Dark', 'The Doomsday Machine', 'Shore Leave', 'Errand of Mercy' would make cool movies.
yeah but this Star Trek is Blockbuster Trek. They are following the SW and TDK trilogies, that way of thinking/doing stuff. There wont be some pontificating 2001/TMP type hard SF film. It'll be another action movie - with the klingons (and maybe Khan again, like Vader) with some homage heavy stuff for the 50th
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I wonder how they can represent this homage stuff in the nuTrek-movie. All real Star Trek stories belong to Prime Universe. They have only one persuasive reference to the Prime Universe (PrimeSpock). Not enough, IMO.
Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
If you wouldn't mind, could you bring some examples of such references?
As for me, the Abram's Universe is something entirely different. This universe is a newborn and it needs to be carefully and thoroughly developed.
Way too many to list here. Young Spock being bullied was from "Journey to Babel" and "Yesteryear", Spock talking about Kolinahr is a reference to TMP where he actually does it, Spock choosing Starfleet over the Vulcan Science Academy is from "Journey to Babel" again, Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test, cheat and even him eating an apple while doing it is from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the Katric Arc mentioned is from the old novel The Lost Years (some of which came up in the last season of Enterprise), the name 'Delta Vega' is from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (although it's a different planet), Scotty has a tribble in his lab, McCoy's divorce is from the original series bible and several old novels, Majel Barrett Rodenberry did some computer voice work (she was the computer voice throughout Prime Universe Trek), the elder Spock is referred to as 'Ambassador Spock' by the Romulans, his title from "Unification"Ignoring the "real Trek" silliness, you missed all the Trek references in the last two movies??
If you wouldn't mind, could you bring some examples of such references?
As for me, the Abram's Universe is something entirely different. This universe is a newborn and it needs to be carefully and thoroughly developed.
Into Darkness has even more, but the most obvious are the models of pre-timeline split Trek ships on Admiral Marcus' desk (including the Phoenix from First Contact, the Aries IV from VOY: "One Small Step", the NX-Alpha from ENT: "First Flight" and the Enterprise NX-01), Khan from "Space Seed" and STII, Carol Marcus from STII, the scene where Kirk dies in the warp core, a reversal of Spock's famous death also when battling Khan...
EDIT: Forgot 'the Mudd incident' Sulu mentions (and it's his impounded ship Kirk and co fly to Kronos in) and McCoy mentioning delivering Gorn octuplets. Oh, and the Kenthra Provice of Kronos they land in is where DS9's Martok grew up. And the destroyed moon is Praxis, which has exploded 25 years earlier in this timeline.
There are many, many more.
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^^ Thank you, King Daniel Into Darkness, now I understand, what do you mean.
Roberto Orci has professed his fondness for the TOS novel Prime Directive, and I think it'd make a hugely awesome STXIII.
