^I would imagine that if they're making us wait 8 or 9 months to see him in action, they're unlikely to give us a moribund Capaldi in his first full appearance. I expect something more like The Eleventh Hour than The Christmas Invasion.
The Time Of The Doctor (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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I do hope so. Eleventh Hour was definitely one of the better post regenerations.
We can only assume it was one of the Silence. though in retrospect, it didn't sound like one.
I'm assuming it to be Madame Kovarian's voice distorted somewhat. It's still a bit of a stretch, but it works.
I find myself agreeing entirely with the first paragraph, but nearly exploding at the second.
I don't think it would have been wise to spend even MORE time going on about the Silence than they already did. While I agree that some of those episodes were quite weak (The Rings of Akhaten was basically TMP but in red instead of blue.), I can remember my frustration (shared by reviewers such as Trilbee or Doctor WHeasel) at how many great opportunities for standalone episodes were wasted because of Moffat's obsession with the plot arc. "Let's Kill Hitler" was the first and worst of this type - we were teased all summer with the prospect of a Nazi episode, but then the Fuhrer got locked in a cupboard and forgotten - with The Snowmen a close second.
We got to the stage of being relieved when finally a non-arc episode arrived (Cold War is easily the best of the season), but I think the real problem was that Moffat never really seemed to be going anywhere - the constant twists and turns were building up to a conclusion which never really came, and plot threads were left hanging for far too long (not helped by Season 7 taking TWO YEARS) before finally coming to a less-than-satisfactory close.
I'd disagree. This was a particularly weak story. Too many plot points wrapped up in one liners. The story unfolded by mostly telling us rather than showing us (violating that old writer's rule).
Major new characters out of the blue. Major new force out of the blue that could conveniently hold back the collective badies of the universe for centuries.
Then, there's the totally magical ending where Clara talking to the crack got the Doctor freebie regenerations which in turn killed all the bad guys.
Weak story telling, plain and simple. There were a few emotional high points but that's about it.
This story would feel weak even if it didn't follow the superb Day of the Doctor. Worst regeneration story since McCoys.
Mr Awe
I'm beginning to wish the 11th doctor did regenerate in the Day of the Doctor after all. Even though it would have had other doctors there.
I think that would actually be kind of cool to see past Doctors witnessing one of their future incarnations regenerating into a new Doctor.
I'm sorry, I was going to say something in reply (like that would be an interesting take on the regeneration) but I'm bizarrely mesmerized by your avatar.
I did wonder in the run up to DOTD if Hurt would regenerate into Eccleston and, if so, whether 10 and 11 would witness it. I've a suspicion that if Eccleston had agreed to a cameo, they would have been present for the regeneration.
Ah, it would've been so wonderfully paradoxical... and not unlike Moffat, actually. Would've liked it enormously!
Just had a thought.
How well would fans have regarded it, if Day of the Doctor had featured McGann instead of the War Doctor and then regenerating mid episode into Eccleston who finishes the story with Smith and Tennant?
How well would fans have regarded it, if Day of the Doctor had featured McGann instead of the War Doctor and then regenerating mid episode into Eccleston who finishes the story with Smith and Tennant?
I'm not sure that would serve much purpose... but I'd love it. Might've been too fanwanky, but would've loved to see it.
Still think the best alternative to the War Doctor would've been McGann as an older Eight. Both a classic and a new Doctor, in that sense. But anyway - Moffat just didn't see it that way...
An epic of epic personalness.
This is just my personal take on it and very likely I'm totally wrong.
Back in 2009(?) I had thought that RTD conciously or unconciously wrote somewhat-bad series of specials (Planet of the Dead, Water of Mars, End of Time) to help fans transition from Tennant to Smith. Maybe, Moffat is doing the same thing for Capaldi. Moffat obviously couldn't screw up the 50th anniversary special or the entire fandom would kill him so he could only make Time of the Doctor somewhat-bad. Anyway, that's just my suspicion and I have no proof of any sort.
Back in 2009(?) I had thought that RTD conciously or unconciously wrote somewhat-bad series of specials (Planet of the Dead, Water of Mars, End of Time) to help fans transition from Tennant to Smith. Maybe, Moffat is doing the same thing for Capaldi. Moffat obviously couldn't screw up the 50th anniversary special or the entire fandom would kill him so he could only make Time of the Doctor somewhat-bad. Anyway, that's just my suspicion and I have no proof of any sort.
The introduction of Hurt didn't serve much purpose either. At least established regenerations would have been respected the way Timelord_Victorious describes it. I too have thought that this would be a good way to do it.