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Steven Moffat Talks About The "Raw", "New Direction" For The Series

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I honestly think Moffat probably believes it is just as good. Like George Lucas in his more recent days, I suspect he doesn't have too many people around willing to tell him "Steven, this is rubbish." anymore.
 
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Yes, taste is subjective. Which is why it's completely obnoxious to say that a version of the Doctor is "not Doctor Who" just because he's not your favorite version thereof.

Actually, it's completely obnoxious to take someone else's opinion that the show is not living up to their expectations of Doctor Who and addressing that opinion as one would address a hoard of barbarians ready to storm the gate.

And, in any case, taste is not entirely subjective. There are elements of fact in many aesthetic analyses. Somebody might find, for example, The Key to Time to be their favourite season of Doctor Who, and that may be perfectly valid, but that preference of taste needs to be separated from a statement about that season's artistic or narrative merit - it may be someone's favourite, but it is certainly not the best. And, if someone says, "The Key to Time is the best Doctor Who ever produced, while The Caves of Androzani and Blink are the two worst episodes ever," there is obviously something wrong with that statement. (One cannot convince someone, for example, to like grapes, or chocolate - that is entirely a matter of subjective taste. But since a person can be convinced, through dialogue, to appreciate a work of art they did not appreciate before, there is clearly an element of logic, or intellect, about one's appreciation for art.) Someone may enjoy Transformers 3 more than The Godfather, and that's entirely valid, but The Godfather is still a better film than Transformers 3 - that is, I would argue, an objective statement of fact.

Now, all of that said, does that mean Moffat's era of Doctor Who is objectively inferior to, say, Davies? Not necessarily. I feel it is. I feel it clearly. But since so many others have argued that they prefer Moffat's take on the show, I don't know what to think about that. The companions are clearly less developed (Amy and Rory and Clara are far more 2-dimensional characters than Rose and Donna, certainly.) The Doctor himself is clearly less complex (deliberately, it seems to me. Smith played the Doctor like a child. Tennant played it like an adult who, occasionally, like Tom Baker's Doctor, acted like a child. And Ecceleston was just awesome - who would argue with that?) And Moffat's take is clearly more about plot, and less about emotion, just as the show used to be before it came back in 2005.

Does that make the Moffat era inferior? I don't know. I suppose one could argue that Doctor Who is not about 3-dimensional characterization, or about sentiment or emotion. And you know what, for the majority of the show's history, they would be right. But Davies brought such a humanity to the show, such a 21st century television sensibility, that I feel a show without 3-dimensional characterization and a focus on character and emotion would be to go backward. And, in my view, Moffat's era of the show really didn't concentrate on making ANY of their characters (not the Doctor, not the companions) REAL in the way that Davies attempted to do.
 
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I'm pleased to hear that there will be a change in tone/direction. I haven't enjoyed the Moffat era at all. I haven't watched most of it and so the bits I have seen just made no sense. I've really missed watching Who and really want to get back to watching it and enjoying it. Hopefully, the new direction will be something I will enjoy again.
 
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And, in any case, taste is not entirely subjective. There are elements of fact in many aesthetic analyses.

Taste is entirely subjective. Those aesthetic reasons for liking something are not facts, they are subjective reasons why somebody likes something.

(One cannot convince someone, for example, to like grapes, or chocolate - that is entirely a matter of subjective taste. But since a person can be convinced, through dialogue, to appreciate a work of art they did not appreciate before, there is clearly an element of logic, or intellect, about one's appreciation for art.) Someone may enjoy Transformers 3 more than The Godfather, and that's entirely valid, but The Godfather is still a better film than Transformers 3 - that is, I would argue, an objective statement of fact.

You would be arguing in error. I've many times had someone try and convince me (or me try to convince others) of the artistic merit of something & utterly failing because our reasons for liking/disliking things are completely subjective. Arguing that your opinion that The Godfather is a better film than Transformers 3 is a fact is meaningless. We all use different criteria to determine why we like movies, which are all totally subjective. This is why some people cite the first Star Trek movie as their favorite & some think TWOK is better, because they are using different subjective criteria to determine what they personally like.
 
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I hope the series goes into a new direction. Like RTD or not, at least his stories were easy to follow. In the Moffat Era, we've had 3 seasons of this over arcing narrative which was hard to follow and the long breaks didn't help. There was some good material in the last few years, but most of it was a mess.

I have no clue what you re talking about. I understand the show perfectly fine. RTD storminess made very little sense. They had this loose build up to a finale and then the finale was a horrible mess.

Moffat has fix the mess that DW had become by the time RTD left. It's time for another change, but still I rather watch Moffat DW than RTD any day.

I get that you disagree, but what is it you don't understand? I enjoyed the straightforwardness of RTD more than I currently do with Moffat, but I'm not saying Moffat is bad. I'm excited to see what kind of direction the show will go into with Capaldi. For one thing, I would like a much more serious doctor, rather than the child like Doctor-styles of the previous two.
 
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I just find it funny how the same person could write the amazing 50th anniversary special, which in my opinion is the only contender for this year's Hugo award, and yet so majorly drop the ball for the christmas special. Did he run out of time and budget?

You might as well ask how Neil Gaiman could give us the wonder that is the Doctors Wife and then the woeful Nightmare in Silver. Moffat is a human being not some kind of writing robot, and I suspect time may have been a factor, both because he clearly spent a lot of time polishing Day of the Doctor and because he likely spent a lot of time working on a whole heap of stuff relating to the 50th anniversary, not to mention a heap of pre prep work on Series 8, and Sherlock...

In the run of Name/Night/Day/Time of the Doctor, Time is, imo, the weakest, but part of the reason is down to how great the other three are, and in no small part down to how much he had to stuff into Time (and in the interests of fairness let’s be clear that the reason for that is his own failings to address things earlier.)
 
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Also, did Matt Smith decide to leave the show after filming of Day of the Doctor had occured? If so, Moffat had little choice but wrap everything in one special.

Not excusing him, of course, but it is possible.
 
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Also, did Matt Smith decide to leave the show after filming of Day of the Doctor had occured? If so, Moffat had little choice but wrap everything in one special.

Not excusing him, of course, but it is possible.
I think it might have been after they filmed Name of the Doctor. Alex Kingston mentioned that he asked her advice about leaving, so unless he called her up on the phone, it stands to reason they probably chatted about it during the filming of that episode.
 
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Personally, I wasn't that keen on The Name of the Doctor either. I mean it was ok, but not brilliant either. I'd rate the Name/Night/Day/Time of the doctor in this order:
#1: The Day of the Doctor
#2: The Night of the Doctor
#3: The Name of the Doctor
#4: The Time of the Doctor.
 
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Also, did Matt Smith decide to leave the show after filming of Day of the Doctor had occured? If so, Moffat had little choice but wrap everything in one special.

Not excusing him, of course, but it is possible.

Moffat claims he knew of Smith's plans to leave while writing Day of the Doctor, which is why he wrote in Capaldi's cameo. Therefore, Moffat should have always known that Time would be Smith's finale.
 
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Does that make the Moffat era inferior? I don't know. I suppose one could argue that Doctor Who is not about 3-dimensional characterization, or about sentiment or emotion. And you know what, for the majority of the show's history, they would be right. But Davies brought such a humanity to the show, such a 21st century television sensibility, that I feel a show without 3-dimensional characterization and a focus on character and emotion would be to go backward. And, in my view, Moffat's era of the show really didn't concentrate on making ANY of their characters (not the Doctor, not the companions) REAL in the way that Davies attempted to do.

I really enjoyed the RTD era (even with it's excesses), but I don't know that I'd consider any of it's characters especially complex or three-dimensional. Perhaps a touch more than Moffat's, but we're still talking about some fairly simplistic TV characters in the end.

Ultimately I thought Gillan, Darvill, and Coleman brought just as much heart and humanity to their roles as any of the actors from the RTD era. Even without learning every little detail about their pasts or families, the actors made them feel just as believable and real, I thought.

They each also had a quirkiness about them that felt very unique, and which made them pop off the screen in a way the previous companions didn't. I'm sure Moffat recognized that and felt there wasn't much need for anything else. And I think he was right.
 
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I personally like Moffat's era the best because it's full of sentiment and emotion.
 
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Agreed. Smith's Doctor was such a big softy, and brought so much emotion and heartwarmy sentiment to every episode (probably more than any Doctor we've seen before), that I don't know how anyone can say his era was somehow lacking in those things.

He was doing a lot more in those episodes than simply waiving his arms around and acting silly.
 
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I'd hardly call Smith's Doctor a softy, he programmed humans to kill the Silents on sight, he also tried to forget the genocide of the Time Lords as the War Doctor called him "the one who forgets", he also threatened to kill Scaldak after trying to make with him, he also killed Solomon in Dinosaurs On A Spaceship. The last real softy Doctor we had was Paul McGann's in my mind.
 
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I know most think it's a throwaway line but it might be interesting if the Doctor couldn't fly the TARDIS well for a while. It would eliminate some of the cute timey-wimey stuff without fine control. They could add a reluctant passenger angle with Clara if the Doctor can't get her back. Whether this would be a good thing or not I'm not sure, I always found those companions annoying in the classic era.

Given its popularity I don't know how far they want to go with shaking things up. I am curious what they are going to do with Clara, now that they've figured out the impossible girl angle are they going to have the Capaldi Doctor be amenable to cooking turkeys and taking the kids to amusement parks?
 
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^ It could be that with the Doctor's grave on Trenzalore no longer coming to be, she's now been downgraded to "possible girl" and doesn't receive those perks so often.
 
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Agreed. Smith's Doctor was such a big softy, and brought so much emotion and heartwarmy sentiment to every episode (probably more than any Doctor we've seen before), that I don't know how anyone can say his era was somehow lacking in those things.

He was doing a lot more in those episodes than simply waiving his arms around and acting silly.

I think it's because Murray Gold isn't playing at high volume in the background telling us to feel something.

Of all the accusations made against Moffat's Who, the fact that it's unemotional is one that holds the least water for me. Overly complex with too many dangling threads, absolutely, but unemotional? Nah...
 
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Funny how the "Raw New Direction!!" looks exactly the same as the "Shit old direction", isn't it? It's like he just can't help lying evey time he opens his mouth.

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