The problem is that rest of them don't believe that. What it will come down to is The Doctor convincing everyone else that his people come in peace.
The Time Of The Doctor (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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The problem is that rest of them don't believe that. What it will come down to is The Doctor convincing everyone else that his people come in peace.
Yeah, she wouldn't have worked, which is a shame but, at the same time, nice.A nice tweet from Karen Gillan with Caitlin Blackwood, her real life cousin who played young AmeliaShe has grown up a bit, and is almost certainly much taller!
http://twitter.com/KarenGillan2/status/416243017113026560/photo/1
She appeared briefly in the disastrous Afterparty, and it was only the red hair and scottish accent that let me work out who she must be!
One thing I've realised. Unlike the other Doctors, who need Timey Wimey reasons to explain their older than regeneration age appearances in multi-doctor stories, Matt Smith could conceivably appear in multi-doctor episodes and specials until the actor's past retirement age.
The story can just have him popping off in his Tardis for a bit during his stint as Trenzalore's defender at any point in his life, regardless of age.
The story can just have him popping off in his Tardis for a bit during his stint as Trenzalore's defender at any point in his life, regardless of age.
Perfectly fine episode. Not the strongest nuWho one, but by far not among the worst either.
It indeed felt a bit cramped/rushed, but I think the reason for Moffat to include resolutions too so many loose ends is to give Capaldi a relatively fresh start with little baggage, pretty much a soft reboot going with the new set of regenerations.
It indeed felt a bit cramped/rushed, but I think the reason for Moffat to include resolutions too so many loose ends is to give Capaldi a relatively fresh start with little baggage, pretty much a soft reboot going with the new set of regenerations.
I'm finding it hard to agree with those of you who found the episode rushed and messy. Frankly, I had the opposite reaction. We got a proper story, with a beginning, middle and ending, a strong thematic content throughout, some emotional moments, very strong acting here and there, quite a lot of clever ideas and yes, the thing was peppered with allusions to continuity and past stories, but I didn't feel that it distracted from the story itself. The only thing that didn't work for me were the Oswald scenes, which felt half-baked and didn't seem to lead anywhere.
The Time of the Doctor was, in my opinion, a pretty good Christmas story, a very nice exit for Matt Smith, a clever answer to most of our questions and all in all a very entertaining hour of television.
The Time of the Doctor was, in my opinion, a pretty good Christmas story, a very nice exit for Matt Smith, a clever answer to most of our questions and all in all a very entertaining hour of television.
Honestly, I love it, but I do think it was a little rushed. The narration bits could've been eassily displayed through on-screen action, had it been allowed an extra 15 minutes at least. Then, it wouldn't feel rushed at all, IMO.
He did not. There is not a scene in the TDOTD that actually shows him seeing which incarnations are out there helping him. As far as what went on screen is concerned, he didn't see Capaldi and didn't know who the third TARDIS belonged to.
He might have heard the "all thirteen of them" line, he might have not. He might have thought it included the two tens (now counting as an actual regeneration), he might have not.
Unclear.
Besides, he told Clara to stay inside to be protected, ready to give the Daleks one final surprise. What other surprise than him regenerating?
That's not clear either. Nothing stops him from getting buried there, particularly now that he knows that's where his grave is.
But that inconsistency sucks, yeah. What if the crack is still in Trenzalore though?
The General and the other Time Lord who was hanging out with him were certainly of that opinion, but the entire Panopticon aside from two members supported Rassilon and his plans. Although, with Rassilon out of the picture, I suspect the General may very well decide to stage a coup and steer the Time Lords back towards a peaceful path.
Or the Master will become Lord President and advance his own agenda very different from Rassilon's plans.
Actually, I get the impression Professor Zoom is assuming it to be a fact the Curator is indeed a future Doctor.
Ah, yeah, that makes sense. But still ambiguous enough.
I just finished 7 seasons of Benidorm, so I was amazed that the nan at Chissy dinner managed to muddle through with out swearing and giving everyone the finger.
I find it refreshing that so many people have so many different opinions of this show. I just wish to whatever television commissioners believe in that somebody somewhere would commission something a fraction so good for a fraction of the length of time of this show. If they did it right now, how happy would we be?
So, I imagined the scene with the Curator? I could've swore that was real. Maybe I should stop drinking.
EDITED TO ADD: I see that point has been brought up. But, I don't think it's ambiguous. To me, it's pretty clear, it's a older version...
But to be less snarky, he was connected to 10 and War Doctor, and it seems pretty clear they (the Doctors) are all participating... so, it's not to far of a stretch that he knew 12 was out there...
And that lack of clarity was... disappointing. And not particularly satisfying. Moffat got to write the story about a Doctor who didn't have any regenerations left, a Doctor who could DIE, and this is what resulted?
I was very much expecting the events in the Name of the Doctor to come true, but in a way that was more revealing... much like Lake Silencio--which admittedly, was disappointing. But, there was something really beautiful about the Fall of the Eleventh. And now... it feels like it was hand waved away.
If SHOULD be shouldn't it? You would think at least THAT would be made clear. Should be made clear, that was what the story was about, right? Did the time lords give up their chance to come back to help save the Doctor? I don't know. But, it would be a pretty good thing TO know.
I just think the whole thing was sloppy story telling.
Here's a thought bout Trenzalore: The Doctor said his grave was never about his body, but the scar tissue that his life has left on time. It's possible, that do to what the Timelords did, his personal timeline--his scars--are now anchored to Trenzalore. Rather the 1 Cycle's lives, their scar tissue, is anchored to Trenzalore. No matter where or when he dies at the end of his second [plus] cycle, the 1st 12 lives' personal timeline, his/their grave, will be at Trenzalore.
There's definitely a set up there for the Doctor (perhaps with the Master's help or the General's help) to have to deal with Rassilon. The savior of Gallifrey versus the historical Demigod, key founder of Time Lord civilization, that is a douchebag that was ready to torch the universe.
True. But how much of their going along with him was because he's Rassilon and he has the power-glove of death?
There's definitely a set up there for the Doctor (perhaps with the Master's help or the General's help) to have to deal with Rassilon. The savior of Gallifrey versus the historical Demigod, key founder of Time Lord civilization, that is a douchebag that was ready to torch the universe.
The oven-mitt of Rassilon?
Quite the darling Baker our Rassilon.
Quite the darling Baker our Rassilon.
I just came here to post that as well, it's bloody brilliant! Anything that makes it easier for Matt to come back is perfect in my book.
The episode may have been, as a few people say, a bit rushed and messy but the final explanations of Moffat's arcs so far worked well enough for me and I appreciated his way of closing off this chapter.
And that final regeneration was just perfect. Even with some fairly weak writing when she started that resulted in Clara being a bit of a cypher for a lot of her run, Jenna's done some brilliant work and acted the hell out of this episode and this scene. But it'll always be about Amy and Eleven for me, so seeing Karen reunite with Matt for one last time just about did me in. And of course, Matt was as fantastic as he always is, bowing out with grace and dignity thanks to a lovingly crafted speech from Moffat. Unfortunately, Capaldi didn't have much to work with here, but I've got my fingers crossed for him.
Goodnight, Raggedy Man.
4/5
Found it enjoyable, though I think it'd have done much better with the Christmas elements.
The regeneration though was excellent.
Upon seeing Eleven regenerate, I realised I was really going to miss his Doctor. He's not my favorite incarnation, but he is the first I've grown attached to.
I started watching Who in 1987, watching the other classic stories at random, leaping from one Doctor to another via the VHS releases. As such I never really grew attached to any of them. Eight and Nine weren't around long enough and due to Eccleston leaving so quickly I never really allowed myself to get attached to Ten (along with it dragging out his departure and trying to play my heart strings at EVERY damn opportunity).
Yeah, really going to miss Eleven *sniffle*.
In fact one of the things this story does better than End of Time is it celebrates the life of Eleven, while End of Time dwelled on Ten's death.
Probably most of them. Certainly not a single one stepped forward to help Rassilon when the Master attacked him.
Found it enjoyable, though I think it'd have done much better with the Christmas elements.
The regeneration though was excellent.
Upon seeing Eleven regenerate, I realised I was really going to miss his Doctor. He's not my favorite incarnation, but he is the first I've grown attached to.
I started watching Who in 1987, watching the other classic stories at random, leaping from one Doctor to another via the VHS releases. As such I never really grew attached to any of them. Eight and Nine weren't around long enough and due to Eccleston leaving so quickly I never really allowed myself to get attached to Ten (along with it dragging out his departure and trying to play my heart strings at EVERY damn opportunity).
Yeah, really going to miss Eleven *sniffle*.
In fact one of the things this story does better than End of Time is it celebrates the life of Eleven, while End of Time dwelled on Ten's death.
Probably most of them. Certainly not a single one stepped forward to help Rassilon when the Master attacked him.
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Whole new cycle. He states that when he was saying go bye to ClaraSo, 11th was actually 13th, and mega-regenerating made capaldi 1st of another 13? Or was the 1st of 12 new regenerations spent making capaldi? (Which would make him the new 2nd)
Yes, this is my question (sorry, I'm on page 14). Is "a new regeneration cycle" or reset or whatever just 1 additional regeneration or is it a completely new cycle of 12?
That part I knew. Clearly a regeneration that destroys a Dalek fleet in orbit is different from the previous ones. But is Capaldi the new 1 or 2? Consider, Smith could be both 13 and 1, what with defaulting to that face before becoming PC..
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I think the dialog just said that it took longer for the regeneration to complete. There was a reset to younger Matt Smith first and then it finally completed. Hence why the change happened so suddenly and subtly because the explosion had happened previously.
At least, that's the way I understood it. Obviously, I haven't understood things the same way the writers have in the past.
At least, that's the way I understood it. Obviously, I haven't understood things the same way the writers have in the past.
No, Capaldi is now number 14 of 25. (12 original plus a new cycle of 12, minus the original).