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Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

I'd mate her off with those Dog Men in TNG's "Lonely Among Us," I believe the episode was, where ENTERPRISE-D was heading off to Babel, with Dog Men and Snake People who hated and wanted to eat eachother. Anyway, there's your answer ...
 
I promise the fanrage would have been identical.

NuTrek has benefited from a more assiduous and widespread attempt to suppress fanrage than virtually any incarnation of any franchise I've ever seen. Even the "backlash" against STID is astonishingly mild so far.

What do you mean?
Are you saying there's been some conspiracy from TPTB to suppress the rage?
I'm interested in this. Can you tell us more?
If anything, TBTB went out of their way to put in lots of winks, nods, references and allusions to things fans would recognize from previous Treks. Yes, there have been some who looked upon all of that as pandering but, even among those who weren't so happy with the movies we got, there hasn't been what any reasonable person would describe as a high incidence of fan rage. Were those fan-rage suppression tactics? Rather successful ones, if so.

It's not a genuine reboot, so it doesn't

Your opinion doesn't change reality. The fact that it splinters from the previous timeline doesn't make it not a reboot.
The fact that it's still being argued, this far on, whether or not Star Trek has been rebooted points up that the term "reboot" has come to have so many different definitions for so many different people that it's become effectively meaningless as a one-word description of anything, and should henceforth be dropped from the working vocabulary. Srsly. Get rid of it.

Haha ... This supposed concern over Fan Rage is quite amusing. Angry Nerds have Paramount by its proverbial balls, do they?
Nope. Fan boredom is something Paramount might worry about at some point, but fan rage is more a trivial detail than it is a concern.
 
What do you mean?
Are you saying there's been some conspiracy from TPTB to suppress the rage?

That is actually way more fun than what I was saying. Implants, hypnotism, secret chemicals in our ventilation systems, cloaked War Birds playing Barry Manilow on subliminal frequencies... you'd be amazed how deep the rabbit hole goes. Let's get this conspiracy theory rolling! :p

Much more boringly, I meant it has been the benificiary of efforts by the fans to give it the benefit of the doubt and to forbear from objections. (Less so once STID invited self-comparison to TWOK, but this was very pronounced with ST09.) But I like your idea better.
 
I wonder: were movies like Final Frontier, Nemesis and Insurrection victims of fan boredom or fan rage? How meaningful a distinction is that?
 
I wonder: were movies like Final Frontier, Nemesis and Insurrection victims of fan boredom or fan rage? How meaningful a distinction is that?
How about somewhere in the middle, like fan annoyance? That's mostly how I felt about the movies you name here. In all three, I was annoyed by various aspects of the movies, but I wouldn't call it boredom, and the only thing I was angry about was when the Klingon used the Voyager probe for target practice.
 
Kirk doing one cat girl would be a simple fetish. Two cat girls at the same time however, that just makes it perverse.

What does one do with that many nipples? :devil:

Well, remember that Kirk in the regular universe once drowned a catgirl (in a "pool" table) and she had three breasts all on her lonesome.
 
I wonder: were movies like Final Frontier, Nemesis and Insurrection victims of fan boredom or fan rage? How meaningful a distinction is that?

As a brand new Trek fan in December 1979 - I loved the movie - the fan anger I kept meeting in my early days of fandom was very disturbing. While many were welcoming of brand new members, there was still scathing criticism of ST:TMP and it always felt directed at me. "You can't call yourself a Star Trek fan if you haven't see the good stuff that came before. And if you'd been there at the beginning, you'd agree with us that TMP is terrible."

As a well-travelled fan by the time of ST V, we followed the rumours throughout production and ran a "special sealed section" in our regular newsletter. On opening night we had little choice than to take the film more as a satire. We had a great time, but it was at Shatner's expense.

But yes, some new and much older fans loved this film and said it was closer to the Trek of old.

IDIC.

the only thing I was angry about was when the Klingon used the Voyager probe for target practice.
It was a Pioneer. And the scriptwriters wanted you to be angry.
 
The new movies have all new actors playing slightly different versions of the original cast. That's very similar enough to a reboot that I don't have a problem calling it a reboot. It's not the purest version of a reboot though, not with Prime Spock, Nero destroying Vulcan, etc, and those are exciting and interesting changes imo.
 
The new movies have all new actors playing slightly different versions of the original cast. That's very similar enough to a reboot that I don't have a problem calling it a reboot. It's not the purest version of a reboot though, not with Prime Spock, Nero destroying Vulcan, etc, and those are exciting and interesting changes imo.

And much easier to explain/accept than switching Saaviks in midstream.
 
Good point about Saavik. I just accept that roles get recast and never worried about it much, and I liked both actors in the role in their own way. I think Kirstie Alley had more of an edge to her, and Robin Curtis's Saavik seems more sweet, in a weird Vulcan way.
The "reboot" actors are overall pretty good. Urban is amazing in getting the McCoy vibe so right, and Quinto makes Spock is his own in a way I'd never think anyone else could do. Chris Pine was enjoyable and likable in his own right even if I never really felt like he had the "Shatner vibe". Scotty was pretty adorable in his own right. Uhura is likable even if I'm still weirded out by her relationship with Spock, it still brought some interesting emotional moments in the first movie. Sulu and Chekov really got lost in the crowd for me.
 
Pine's approach (to just create his own version of the character instead of trying to replicate Shatner) was the right one.
 
What you find credible has no bearing on reality.

A dose of reality follows. Here you pretend you don't know why Khan should be anything like himself, which is ridiculous on its face, but whatever:

You still haven't told me why you think this Khan should ressemble the other Khan in any way.

Here you act as if this is some unanswerable question and something I'm trying to "avoid", which is completely absurd given my posts on the subject since 2009:

I suspect you can't because you painted yourself in a corner, and are now trying to avoid the issue by addressing me instead of it.

And here it turns out that you knew what the deal was all along:

Belz said:
it splinters from the previous timeline

So it seems like you're playing games at this point, unless you really don't get how "splinters from the previous timeline" does not mean "everything is up for grabs".
 
I wonder: were movies like Final Frontier, Nemesis and Insurrection victims of fan boredom or fan rage? How meaningful a distinction is that?

Personal experience?

STV: "Why are they putting seatbelts in the theaters? To keep people from leaving". It wasn't so much anger as disappointment. They offer up this premise that was both big and classic TOS in style--Kirk meets God--and everything was just meh.

Insurrection: Hey looks it's a TNG story...that we've seen a half dozen times on the show.

Nemesis: I paid $7.50 for this?
 
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