Janeway's Decision to Kill Tuvix
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DeVulcanizing.
Killing Talaxians for kicks is fine.
Killing Talaxians for kicks is fine.
I just realized that with this flower thing they discovered, at the end of the episode they can pretty much combine any two people and then separate them at will, with no danger. Starfleet can take their top specialists and combine them. Plus Maybe some freaky couples would sign up for it.
Who makes that decision when the person on life support is saying they want to live, though?
Who makes that decision when the person on life support is saying they want to live, though?
Yes I am convinced there are labs full of transporter experiments. Section 31 probably has its own lab but there would be plenty of rogue scientists. Someone is probably trying to make Klingon/targ hybrids to send into battle.
How did you think that the 29th century Time cops were integrating their time criminals?
It's fascinating how the body just adapts to being smooshed into another body.. realistically everyone should end up like the TMP horror. The BME folk would be enthralled at the possibilities.
Just because her brain wasn't there to add to the Tuvix personality... Are we sure that her Ocampan DNA didn't effect Tuvix's brain construction? Although some of her personality cold have slipped in just from "backups" in something we don't understand which is why clones from fingernail cells in sciencefiction always seem to have a complete set of memories from the donor...
Tuvix was really Keelok.
The Kes component in the mix sabotaged the entire existence of this beings life.
Rather than bing forced to frakk herself, Kess inside Tuvix made sure that Kes outside Tuvix didn't want Tuvix inside Kes.
Seriously?
In Fury, how hard from a special effects budget point of view would it have been for old Kes to make out with young Kes?
It couldn't have been more disturbing than what i saw on American Horror last night.
Tuvix was really Keelok.
The Kes component in the mix sabotaged the entire existence of this beings life.
Rather than bing forced to frakk herself, Kess inside Tuvix made sure that Kes outside Tuvix didn't want Tuvix inside Kes.
Seriously?
In Fury, how hard from a special effects budget point of view would it have been for old Kes to make out with young Kes?
It couldn't have been more disturbing than what i saw on American Horror last night.
I wonder if Vorik (the other Vulcan on Voyager) could have mind melded with Tuvix and contacted both Tuvok and Neelix, to find out if they would have wanted Janeway to enable them to live separately?
I'm pretty sure what the answer would have been. Aren't you?
I intend too.
Isn't that what you're doing with Tuvok and Neelix?... and not a person, like he is. It's easier to live with murdering someone if you dehumanize your victim.
Tuvix was an aberration - a sentient aberration, but an aberration nonetheless - and Janeway essentially exercised her right as Tuvok and Neelix's 'legal surrogate' (which, as their Captain, she was by default) to make a choice that they themselves couldn't make, just as a person's 'legal surrogate' would decide whether to put said person on life support or remove said person from life support or to authorize surgery that might correct an aberration in said person's body or brain that might allow them to survive and live a normal life following severe injury.
We saw in Mortal Coil that Neelix wanted to stay dead with his sister, and any attempt to bring him back from the afterlife was as an unholesome rape which he just wasn't into.
The key word there is sentient, Tuvix as a sentient being was entitiled to all the rights granted sentient beings by the Federation. If he chooses not to give up his life, well that's his right. People die all the time in accidents.
As for Janeway being promoted to an Admiral, it's quite clear she was a menace to the space lanes, so she was promoted into a position in which she could do least harm. Conversely Kirk was demoted into a position in which he good do most good.
As for Janeway being promoted to an Admiral, it's quite clear she was a menace to the space lanes, so she was promoted into a position in which she could do least harm. Conversely Kirk was demoted into a position in which he good do most good.
Isn't that what you're doing with Tuvok and Neelix?... and not a person, like he is. It's easier to live with murdering someone if you dehumanize your victim.
There's a huge moral difference between two people dying in an accident and deliberately murdering someone to save two people you like more.
Well, that could have been Janeway's potential other option then.
"We're in orbit, Captain."
"Thank you, Mr. Paris. Sensor readings?"
"The planet's surface is poisonous to human life."
"Understood. Mr. Tuvix, the landing party will consist of yourself. We'll beam you back up in 10 minutes."
Yeah but correct me if I'm wrong, I think if the patient says "I don't want this surgery." or "Keep me on life support" then I don't think the legal surrogate has the right to decide.
The number of posters actually advocating as moral the cold-blooded killing of a person in order to chop him/her up for spare organs - against his/her express wishes - for the purpose of using these organs to save 2 persons from deep coma is shockingly high.
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MY religion forbids me from seeing Janeway as a murderer.
Except for clowns?
