The most evil individual and most evil regime in Star Trek

[Edit_XYZ]

Sure - genocide, attempted genocide, using biological weaponry on a defeated species in order to make a point, etc.
They're misunderstood angels.

Was there more than one Dominion genocide? The events of What You Leave Behind were entirely the responsibility of the one Female Changeling. All others were cut off because the wormhole was sealed by the Prophets.

The dominion attempted to bring the bajoran sun to supernova, killing BILLIONS and all but exterminating the bajoran species.
The female changeling was the legitimate dominion leader in the alpha/beta quadrants. Her orders were the legitimate orders of the dominion. Thus, all the vorta, jem'hadar and breen followed them to the letter.

See 'the quickening' for dominion biological weaponry use.

 

[Dale Sams]

7 of 9 stated the borg's blanket policy for dealing with species which can bring nothing to the collective - extermination (during a conversation with Neelix about the borg's approach to the kazon and talaxians).

I haven't seen "Mortal Coil". I was aware that she said they were unworthy of assimilation, but didn't know about the extermination policy. That's unfortunate that the writers made that canon. I think the Borg are more interesting if they just go around stuff that doesn't interest them.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

With or without 'mortal coil', little would change about the borg's nature:
Yes, it thinks assimilated beings are superior (because the borg thinks IT is superior), but it assimilates not for the benefit of the assimilated species, but for its own. It's all about what will it gain, not someone else.
All the other beings in the galaxy are just grease for the mill, there to be used or discarded. As Q put it, the ultimate user.

The 'mortal coil' extermination policy is the borg version of pruning; making place for someone the borg can use.

 

[Tom]

LES MOONVES!

 

[bbjeg]

I say the Borg Queen and the Borg for my answer. True, evil is defined as morally reprehensible and it's up to debate a Borg's morals but evil also defines one who causes harm, is pernicious, and destructive (sourced from merriam-webster). The Borg are all these things to the extreme.

So you can name a few recent genocides on the part of starfleet/the federation, yes? Do tell.

During the Dominion war Section 31 tried to wipe out the founders with a morphogenic virus and Voyager's Janeway in "Scorpion" launched nanoprobed bio-molecular warheads in fluidic space which probably continues to kill passing 8472 ships.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

S31 is an organisation with no oversight from the part of the federation/starfleet.
And even S31 only tried to use the virus against a proven existential risk/legitimate military target, not due to spite.

Jameway used nanoprobes against attacking ships - fully justified. A subsequent episode established there are no long-term consequences from the use of the nanoprobes.

 

[Mage]

J. J. Abrams and the Bad Robot regime.

Anyway, a lot of the evil in Star Trek is a bit to 'simple' evil for me, there aren't a lot of layers to them. They are simply portrayed as being 'the bad guy'. I prefer it when my 'evil' considers itself the good guy. Like The Dominion. They didn't see themselves as conquerers, but as bringers of peace and order. Basicly what the Federation does, however both have a different approach to the situation. Hell, in a weird way, even the Borg look at themselves like that. Just at humanity is always trying to better itself, so are the Borg looking for perfection. The only real difference, is that humanity knows it won't actually achive perfection itself.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

The dominion attempted to bring the bajoran sun to supernova, killing BILLIONS and all but exterminating the bajoran species.

While that cannot be argued not to be evil, it would more precisely be called democide: indiscriminate killing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Seven's only reference to the Kazon said that they were unworthy of assimilation. She never said the Borg *destroyed* the Kazon. Indeed, the Borg would not waste the time or the resources on such a thing. They don't kill or assimilate individuals who aren't a threat; same for races. Whatever is unworthy is simply ignored, not destroyed.

 

[bbjeg]

S31 is an organisation with no oversight from the part of the federation/starfleet.
And even S31 only tried to use the virus against a proven existential risk/legitimate military target, not due to spite.

Jameway used nanoprobes against attacking ships - fully justified. A subsequent episode established there are no long-term consequences from the use of the nanoprobes.

I don't fully understand S31, being starfleet or "not", but genocide not due to spite is still genocide.

Also I didn't know that about the nanoprobes, probably missed that episode, I wondered about that.

 

[Dale Sams]

S31 is an organisation with no oversight from the part of the federation/starfleet.
And even S31 only tried to use the virus against a proven existential risk/legitimate military target, not due to spite.

Jameway used nanoprobes against attacking ships - fully justified. A subsequent episode established there are no long-term consequences from the use of the nanoprobes.

I don't fully understand S31, being starfleet or "not", but genocide not due to spite is still genocide.

Indeed. Also Picard came up with a plan to wipe out the entirety of the Borg and called it off. He was later told by Admiral Nechayev if the chance arose again, to take it.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

bbjeg
Attempted genocide committed by a rogue organization within the federation is not genocide committed by the federation; and quite a few threads in this forum argued that circumstances made that attempted genocide justified.
There's an episode during Voy depicting 8472 training spies for infiltrating starfleet. 8472's there behaviour makes it clear they don't have a grey goo problem due to nanoprobes at home.

Dale Sams
In that case a very good case can be made that disabling the borg mind by any means necessary was justified; whether it's genocide is also highly debatable.

Mr. Laser Beam
Really? I haven't watched Voy in some time; I guess it's possible. Whatever the borg did to the kazon, though, it didn't ignore them.

 

[Captain Nebula]

The Borg for the evil regime, but it's tough to pick a true villain. Most seemed misguided. Khan in Star Trek II was basically Captain Ahab - blinded by revenge. Trelane and Q were just mischievous. Garth of Izar maybe.

 

[Dale Sams]

Garth was insane.

For selfish evil, I choose the Plato's Stepchildren society. For sheer, beyond our understanding malevolence, I choose the Pah-Wraiths.

 

[R. Star]

Kai Winn always struck me as one of the most malevolent characters in Trek.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

2) If you could refrain from discussing subjects in the manner of a 15-year old douchebag, it would be appreciated.

He can't. Every thread he posts in turns into a pissing match.

--Sran

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Seven's only reference to the Kazon said that they were unworthy of assimilation. She never said the Borg *destroyed* the Kazon. Indeed, the Borg would not waste the time or the resources on such a thing. They don't kill or assimilate individuals who aren't a threat; same for races. Whatever is unworthy is simply ignored, not destroyed.

This is correct. Here is Seven's exact quote:

"Their biological and technological distinctiveness was unremarkable; they were unworthy of assimilation." When Neelix commented on this heretofore unknown discriminating nature of the Borg, she replied: "Why assimilate a species that would detract from perfection?"

--Sran

 

[The Overlord]

J. J. Abrams and the Bad Robot regime.

Anyway, a lot of the evil in Star Trek is a bit to 'simple' evil for me, there aren't a lot of layers to them. They are simply portrayed as being 'the bad guy'. I prefer it when my 'evil' considers itself the good guy. Like The Dominion. They didn't see themselves as conquerers, but as bringers of peace and order. Basicly what the Federation does, however both have a different approach to the situation. Hell, in a weird way, even the Borg look at themselves like that. Just at humanity is always trying to better itself, so are the Borg looking for perfection. The only real difference, is that humanity knows it won't actually achive perfection itself.

Almost every petty and psychopathic dictator uses that "I am restoring order" reason to justify their rule, but all it is an excuse.

Did Hitler, Stalin or Kim Ill Sung bring peace and order to those they ruled or did they create a nightmare scenario, where the regimes they created brought pain and misery to millions?

The Dominion, has way too many acts of petty cruelty to considered just misguided. The Dominion's actions in "The Quickening" are not that of a benevolent dictatorship that wants the best for all, but of a truly a cruel and petty tyrant that brutalizes people to scare others into obeying by making an example of someone. That is not even remotely moral or justifiable.

No one thinks they are evil in real life, but any psychopath can come with justifications for their actions, even serial killers and mob bosses can do that, it doesn't make them good people or even morally ambiguous.

 

[bbjeg]

Attempted genocide committed by a rogue organization within the federation is not genocide committed by the federation

Section 31 is affiliated with the Federation and the Federation's efforts (or lack there of) of removing Section 31 is dubious at best.

; and quite a few threads in this forum argued that circumstances made that attempted genocide justified.

Attempted genocide is not genocide but the act is still as vile. Doing a vile act, even if it's justified, is still a vile act.

 

[Roboturner913]

Soran was willing to kill 230 million people on Veridian IV, destroy two stars, torture another person and hand the Klingons a weapon of mass destruction.

Just because he wanted to get back to the Nexus. Not for an ideal of any kind (Borg), not out of fear for self-preservation (Founders), not even for revenge (Khan).

He simply did it because he wanted to get back to the Nexus. The lives of millions of people took a backseat to one man's wishes.

To me, that is true evil.