MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

[M.A.C.O.]

Well Iron Man did OKish against Thor. If you take the crossover comics as canon, Thor = Superman

Although Thor would later say that he knows Superman's limits and that a rematch might see himself as the victor. Playing in to the fact that Thor is very arrogant and doesn't give his 100% against every opponent he fights.

And yes not even Superman can lift Mjlonir with pure strength alone. Just like the Hulk could not in the Avengers.

Iron Man's has a chance if he disable one of the Krytptonian breathers or deliver an awesome repulsor blast that incapacitates a Kryptonian.

 

[davejames]

I'm SO glad the Marvel movies don't have Thor talking like that. As much as I'd like to get into the comics, the unbearably cheesy and forced Old English dialogue just makes it really hard to ever take him seriously.

 

[kirk55555]

In modern comics Thor (and the asguardians) way of speaking really isn't an issue anymore. I'm currently reading a Marvel Essentials Thor volume (basically, its a b&W reprinting of old thor comics) reprinting Stan Lee/Jack Kirby Thor comics, and its definately a challenge to decipher at times. It feels like stan had a dictionary, thesaurus, and the complete works of shakespeare on hand when writting the dialog, which at times goes from just being an annoyance to actually being a chore to read. The stories are quality, and I love Stan Lee (who doesn't?) but you don't know annoying thor dialog until you see his stuff.

 

[Admiral2]

 

[Admiral2]

Supes is Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Iron Man combined. He would have been able to beat up all those Leviathans, beat Loki to a pulp and take care of all those minions.

All Loki would have to do is teleport to a dimension with a bunch of green, glowing rocks and bring some back. That wouldn't be a problem for Hulk, Thor, Cap and Shellhead.

How would that work out for ol' Supes and Zod?

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Supes is Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Iron Man combined. He would have been able to beat up all those Leviathans, beat Loki to a pulp and take care of all those minions.

All Loki would have to do is teleport to a dimension with a bunch of green, glowing rocks and bring some back. That wouldn't be a problem for Hulk, Thor, Cap and Shellhead.

How would that work out for ol' Supes and Zod?

He'd have to know about it first... In this universe its undiscovered as of yet.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Also, Supes in vulnerable to magic as well as Kryptonite. Mjolner... y'know, magic. Loki... magic as well.

 

[The Lensman]

IDK man compared to preventing a gravity enhancing terraforming machine on opposite sides of the planet is no small feat. By comparison laying the hurt on aliens riding scouters who were vulnerable to arrows and bullets seems like a cake walk for someone with Superman's powers.

The aliens in The Avengers were the Keystone Cops of alien invaders. They had a fucking ARMY that had in it's ranks giant flying space serpents and they couldn't even take and hold a few blocks of one city. Seriously, what was their plan? What tactics were being used? None. The whole plan seemed to be "ride in and uh....shoot some stuff up and they'll surrender?"

Some of the Avengers spent a few minutes getting about twenty or so people to safety....the bulk of the time the whole team spent fighting the most incompetent alien invaders put on film. Luckily the government in the MCU was willing to slaughter the whole of New York when faced with a group of idiots on flying scooters and miraculously handed the Avengers with the tool to win the day.

The amount of challenge they would've provided Superman would've been exactly none at all.

 

[JD]

 

[davejames]

Yeah, to me it seems a bit disingenuous to compare the damage in these two movies when Avengers barely showed the invading army even doing anything except shooting up a few cars and menacing some civilians-- even though they far outnumbered our heroes and could have still killed scores of people and destroyed plenty of buildings. But by the time the battle is over, you get the feeling no more than 5 or 10 people died in the entire freakin city-- which is just absurd.

MOS may have gone a bit overboard with the destruction, but at least it didn't shy away from showing the real damage that could occur during an epic event such as this.

 

[Admiral2]

Supes is Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Iron Man combined. He would have been able to beat up all those Leviathans, beat Loki to a pulp and take care of all those minions.

All Loki would have to do is teleport to a dimension with a bunch of green, glowing rocks and bring some back. That wouldn't be a problem for Hulk, Thor, Cap and Shellhead.

How would that work out for ol' Supes and Zod?

He'd have to know about it first... In this universe its undiscovered as of yet.

Loki is the God of Mischief. It's his job to fuck with good people's lives in unpredictable ways. I don't see him having a lot of trouble finding kryptonite if he needs it. The history of Krypton means there's a debris field full of it floating around in space somewhere.

 

[marksound]

All Loki would have to do is teleport to a dimension with a bunch of green, glowing rocks and bring some back. That wouldn't be a problem for Hulk, Thor, Cap and Shellhead.

How would that work out for ol' Supes and Zod?

He'd have to know about it first... In this universe its undiscovered as of yet.

Loki is the God of Mischief. It's his job to fuck with good people's lives in unpredictable ways. I don't see him having a lot of trouble finding kryptonite if he needs it. The history of Krypton means there's a debris field full of it floating around in space somewhere.

In a comic when I was a kid Superman tricked Loki into saying his name backwards (shades of Mxyzlptk or however it's spelled) by giving him a 5 cent coin. When Loki asked ehat it was, Supes told him it was a nickel. Loki repeated it and bang, zoom. He went back to wherever it was he came from.

(I know, "nickel" isn't the same as "Loki" said backwards, but it worked.)

 

[Mr Light]

I believe in the Avengers movie the Chitauri were just securing their foothold in the city, protecting the portal while the bulk of the force came through. Then the proper invasion could begin.

 

[Mister Fandango]

Loki is the God of Mischief. It's his job to fuck with good people's lives in unpredictable ways. I don't see him having a lot of trouble finding kryptonite if he needs it. The history of Krypton means there's a debris field full of it floating around in space somewhere.

You say that like it's a natural conclusion that rocks from your homeworld are somehow super poisonous to you and will strip you of your powers while you're near it.

 

[Dream]

Loki is the God of Mischief. It's his job to fuck with good people's lives in unpredictable ways. I don't see him having a lot of trouble finding kryptonite if he needs it. The history of Krypton means there's a debris field full of it floating around in space somewhere.

You say that like it's a natural conclusion that rocks from your homeworld are somehow super poisonous to you and will strip you of your powers while you're near it.

Hey, Luthor figured it out very quickly in the first Superman.

 

[theenglish]

Loki is the God of Mischief. It's his job to fuck with good people's lives in unpredictable ways. I don't see him having a lot of trouble finding kryptonite if he needs it. The history of Krypton means there's a debris field full of it floating around in space somewhere.

You say that like it's a natural conclusion that rocks from your homeworld are somehow super poisonous to you and will strip you of your powers while you're near it.

Hey, Luthor figured it out very quickly in the first Superman.

Loki doesn't need Kryptonite. He's magical.

 

[Trekker4747]

And yes not even Superman can lift Mjlonir with pure strength alone. Just like the Hulk could not in the Avengers.

This I don't buy. First of all, depending on what you want to go with Superman is strong enough to lift the planet and then some. He should be on a strength alone be able to pick up Mjolnir. But, fine, we'll simply go with the magical enchantment on Mjolnir means it's not a matter of strength to pick it up, it's worthiness. And if a child were "worthy" they could pick it up.

And could anyone really be more "worthy" than Superman? He's as good, unselfish and as kind-hearted as you can get and not as prone to bouts of stupidity-induced egotism like Thor is. Superman should be able to lift Mjolnir but we'll roll with what Thor says there, I suppose, that on some level Odin/Mjolnir itself decides when, why and who is worthy and even then maybe let them get to lift it.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

And yes not even Superman can lift Mjlonir with pure strength alone. Just like the Hulk could not in the Avengers.

This I don't buy. First of all, depending on what you want to go with Superman is strong enough to lift the planet and then some. He should be on a strength alone be able to pick up Mjolnir. But, fine, we'll simply go with the magical enchantment on Mjolnir means it's not a matter of strength to pick it up, it's worthiness. And if a child were "worthy" they could pick it up.

And could anyone really be more "worthy" than Superman? He's as good, unselfish and as kind-hearted as you can get and not as prone to bouts of stupidity-induced egotism like Thor is. Superman should be able to lift Mjolnir but we'll roll with what Thor says there, I suppose, that on some level Odin/Mjolnir itself decides when, why and who is worthy and even then maybe let them get to lift it.

Yeah the current era Superman (Post Crisis on Infinite Earth's back from 1986 up to New 52 and Man Of Steel) doesn't have planet moving strength like his Silver Age incarnation. The Silver Age Superman and Superboy were capable of moving through time under their own power as well through use of super speed. The present era Superman tops out at 700 mph or the speed of sound. Different eras of the character account for the discrepancies of their abilities.

In the JLA vs Avengers comic where Superman and Thor fight it's post-Crisis Superman.

Apparently Thor can pass the Mjolnir to someone else if he chooses.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's shown in a New52 book that Superman as able to bench-press the entire weight of the planet for several days before breaking a single drop of sweat.

Again, depends on what version you want to go with but needless to say Superman has been shown to be very, very, strong orders of magnitude greater than pretty much any other comic-book character, including Hulk.

 

[Dream]

We are VERY lucky Christian Bale wasn't picked to play Superman.

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