MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

[Dick Whitman]

What's interesting is that in the big image on the EW cover they manage to go with the "traditional" costume while hiding the Speedo.

EW is owned by Time Warner. That in itself (along with crowding) may explain leaving Routh out.

Has any live-action version of Superman ever used the trademarked version of Supes' shield? Oddly, it looks like the Lois & Clark version may be closest.

I figured out that image is from the cover of Action Comics #419 in 1972. It's exactly the original were the red shorts could not be seen.

The Superboy costumes both actors in that series wore had the offical logo. Plus the suit Dean Cain wore in the L&C pilot. After that he had a similar one that was slightly modified.

 

[EnsignRicky]

That EW cover tells me one thing;

That is NOT a flattering outfit.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Superman's costume isn't "flattering;" it's way too far out there. That said, this version is better looking than previous live-action attempts.

Yes it is.

 

[Mach5]

Oh man...

 

[Christopher]

^If it's sunk that much in just a day, then it could rise just as much by tomorrow. It takes time for a consensus to emerge.

Note also that the 58% rating for "all critics" is given a "rotten" symbol while the 60% rating for "top critics" -- which is statistically indistinguishable from the former -- gets a "fresh" symbol. Clearly the dividing line between what they label good and bad is rather arbitrary, and the icons are a gross oversimplification. (I read at least one "rotten"-labeled review that was actually largely positive. A binary system like RT's is not good at dealing with nuance and ambivalence.)

 

[Trekker4747]

I suspect when most reviews are published tonight/tomorrow the number will dramatically change. (Good or bad, is hard to say.)

And, well, we also all know how little reviews matter in the grand scheme of things, I'm sure the movie will still perform well. It's a good movie worth seeing, screw the critics.

 

[davejames]

Yeah people probably put way too much stock in the RT rating.... but at the same time I generally find myself agreeing with the consensus on most movies, so I think there must be something to their system.

Although I do find it a bit less reliable when it comes to superhero movies and summer blockbusters (GL may have had it's issues, but it was certainly better than 26%, I think).

 

[Gojira]

Yeah people probably put way too much stock in the RT rating.... but at the same time I generally find myself agreeing with the consensus on most movies, so I think there must be something to their system.

Although I do find it a bit less reliable when it comes to superhero movies and summer blockbusters (GL may have had it's issues, but it was certainly better than 26%, I think).

I may be over generalizing but critics are not always fan-boys and tend to not care for superhero movies too much.

 

[JarodRussell]

No stinger after the credits (at least not in the preview I saw) nor is there a scene after title cards before the scrolling credits. Which, really? How is there NOT one in this day and age?

- And finally, is there a post-credit sequence?

I wonder, what is so exciting about post credit scenes?

 

[Trekker4747]

Nothing, but sometimes, in movies like this, they can have some service to them to the building of the universe or to a sequel. I mean, heck, a scene with a bald head in a dark room looking at room full of monitors showing Superman saving the world with an ominous voice going, "So... he thinks can save the world, huh? We'll see about that." would've been awesome. It's just almost expected after the Marvel movies, I guess.

 

[od0_ital]

I saw it this mornin' - there is not a postcredits sequence.

 

[Mach5]

 

[Gojira]

Right now it is at 58% on RT.

 

[JarodRussell]

Heck, Die Hard 3 has 52%. If Man of Steel is better than Die Hard 3, bring it.

 

[Dream]

None of the Nolan Batman films had post credit scenes. That's more of a Marvel thing.

 

[JarodRussell]

None of the Nolan Batman films had post credit scenes. That's more of a Marvel thing.

Post credit scenes are pointless anyways. I never saw a reason why they are not included in the main body of the film.

In a Marvel Batman Begins, they would have probably put that Joker card scene after the credits. What would I have gotten out of this?

 

[Christopher]

None of the Nolan Batman films had post credit scenes. That's more of a Marvel thing.

Not exclusively by any means. Here's an extensive list of the trope's many uses, going back decades. And it has been a "DC thing" at least once, in the Green Lantern movie.

 

[JD]

^If it's sunk that much in just a day, then it could rise just as much by tomorrow. It takes time for a consensus to emerge.

Note also that the 58% rating for "all critics" is given a "rotten" symbol while the 60% rating for "top critics" -- which is statistically indistinguishable from the former -- gets a "fresh" symbol. Clearly the dividing line between what they label good and bad is rather arbitrary, and the icons are a gross oversimplification. (I read at least one "rotten"-labeled review that was actually largely positive. A binary system like RT's is not good at dealing with nuance and ambivalence.)

That's why I prefer Metacritic. It gives a more equal average (although it does give "top critics" more weight), and it has three colors, which correspond more or less to good, average, poor. It's also set with 80-100 green, 40-60 yellow, and 0-39 red.

 

[Samurai8472]

The fate of DC movies rests on this movie.

-A Justice League movie

-Opening up the potential for more DC hero movies

-Superman's movie future

If this fails then expect a Batman reboot to be quickly greenlit to rebound from "Man of Steel's low performance.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This movie is not going to fail, so the point is moot.