Star Trek Continues "Pilgrim of Eternity"
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Praetor Baldric
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Thank-you....just, thank-you!
Thank-you....just, thank-you!
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Looks good fun! I will watch it all tomorrow. Odd that they decided to bring in a new character instead of using the mischievous Helen Noel though. They should try and feature Chapel and Rand in some episodes too but the production values and cast seem really good from what I've seen so far.
Looks good fun! I will watch it all tomorrow. Odd that they decided to bring in a new character instead of using the mischievous Helen Noel though. They should try and feature Chapel and Rand in some episodes too but the production values and cast seem really good from what I've seen so far.
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I have to say, the acting quality with STC makes the other fan productions look so collegiate. Not to diss the others, as I have a lot of admiration for them, but... wow, this new take on TOS has a lot of potential. These guys actually went to acting school!
And another thing, about Vic Mignogna's Kirk... you can see some of Shatner's style in the character, but it is very subtle. Like the way he sits in the command chair and turns his head & body to look at others on the bridge. If only his voice was just a little deeper. Also, he certainly has the waistline that Shatner had in S3.
Btw, did anyone else sense a hint of Marina Sirtis in the computer's voice?
I have to say, the acting quality with STC makes the other fan productions look so collegiate. Not to diss the others, as I have a lot of admiration for them, but... wow, this new take on TOS has a lot of potential. These guys actually went to acting school!
And another thing, about Vic Mignogna's Kirk... you can see some of Shatner's style in the character, but it is very subtle. Like the way he sits in the command chair and turns his head & body to look at others on the bridge. If only his voice was just a little deeper. Also, he certainly has the waistline that Shatner had in S3.
Btw, did anyone else sense a hint of Marina Sirtis in the computer's voice?
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I watched this the other day, really enjoyed it.
There may be quibbles here and there but its a fan film; the production values, skill and commitment of all involved have to be applauded, really looking forward to the next installment!
Best yet is we get to see the true TOS Enterprise sail into the unknown, unfortunately for me New Voyages have taken a swerve off the road for me with the Phase II refit.
I watched this the other day, really enjoyed it.
There may be quibbles here and there but its a fan film; the production values, skill and commitment of all involved have to be applauded, really looking forward to the next installment!
Best yet is we get to see the true TOS Enterprise sail into the unknown, unfortunately for me New Voyages have taken a swerve off the road for me with the Phase II refit.
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One thing I'd like to see them avoid: shout-outs to the other series. If they want to keep that authentic feel then approach it like the other shows haven't happened yet. TAS gave them a small window in terms of the holodeck, but McKenna's counsellor should be reconciled in some way and leave it at that. She could still be a psychiatrist trying out this new role as counsellor. But, please, oh please, leave the other shows out of it.
While this first episode was a sequel, something TOS never did although TAS did (again that small rationalizing window), I appreciate they avoided the faniish approach of space battles and time travel and crossovers (the first New Voyages/Phase II effort really made me cringe) What they really need now are solid stories as if they were really writing for TOS rather than indulging in the "wouldn't it be kewl if we had seen..." mentality.
Agreed. He needs to dial it back some.
I imagine you'll be standing in a very long line of suitors.
One thing I'd like to see them avoid: shout-outs to the other series. If they want to keep that authentic feel then approach it like the other shows haven't happened yet. TAS gave them a small window in terms of the holodeck, but McKenna's counsellor should be reconciled in some way and leave it at that. She could still be a psychiatrist trying out this new role as counsellor. But, please, oh please, leave the other shows out of it.
While this first episode was a sequel, something TOS never did although TAS did (again that small rationalizing window), I appreciate they avoided the faniish approach of space battles and time travel and crossovers (the first New Voyages/Phase II effort really made me cringe) What they really need now are solid stories as if they were really writing for TOS rather than indulging in the "wouldn't it be kewl if we had seen..." mentality.
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It didnt bother me, despite never seeing one before TNG they couldnt have been a new thing, they have people to do that in the current military so why not Starfleet - as long as they dont have her constantly on the Bridge like Troi.
Have her in sickbay talking with injured crewmen or in an office maybe even have her as an additional person Kirk could come to learn to talk to when in a moment of crisis like he does McCoy.
The Enterprise doing loop da loops in fighter style dog fights was a bit off putting in New Voyages but calmed down, I would hope for a story driven and dramatic tale which involves a space ship fight... its been a staple of Star Trek since Balance of Terror.
It didnt bother me, despite never seeing one before TNG they couldnt have been a new thing, they have people to do that in the current military so why not Starfleet - as long as they dont have her constantly on the Bridge like Troi.
Have her in sickbay talking with injured crewmen or in an office maybe even have her as an additional person Kirk could come to learn to talk to when in a moment of crisis like he does McCoy.
The Enterprise doing loop da loops in fighter style dog fights was a bit off putting in New Voyages but calmed down, I would hope for a story driven and dramatic tale which involves a space ship fight... its been a staple of Star Trek since Balance of Terror.
Sorry fella but it would appear she is marrying the shows lead this summer.
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Yeah, but it wasn't in every episode or even every other episode. Same with time travel. TOS did space combat about fourteen times out of seventy-nine episodes and time-travel four times. Neither of those were any constant staples.
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Maybe not a constant staple, but space combat in TOS always had drama and a decent story behind it, which is what I meant by a staple, the combination.
Other Treks, especially Voyager, just seemed to have fights every other episode, most where the ship gets fired on and little happens... Contrast that to Balance of Terror and you get a story where a whole lot more happens than the fight with a lone Romulan Bird of Prey.
Maybe not a constant staple, but space combat in TOS always had drama and a decent story behind it, which is what I meant by a staple, the combination.
Other Treks, especially Voyager, just seemed to have fights every other episode, most where the ship gets fired on and little happens... Contrast that to Balance of Terror and you get a story where a whole lot more happens than the fight with a lone Romulan Bird of Prey.
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I thought that on a technical level, it was fantastic, on an acting level, it was overall good; but honestly, I felt they tried to go too TNGish in a couple of areas:
1) A ship's counselor on a ship in the TOS era? (loved the actress BTW - very nice to look at) - Come on. And I'd say the experiment failed as we never saw such ten years later in the TOS film era.
2) Kirk, wanting a consensus from his senior staff before je decides what he'll do? Seriously, are they trying to channel Picard in here? remember a great Kirk line from "The Corbomite Maneuver":
Kirk: "I'll keep that in mind Mr. Bailey, when this becomes a democracy."
Kirk does have conferences and does ask for opinions, BUT in the end, he usually makes his own decisions.
(And the above is nit picky I grant you, I just really do enjoy what they've done to date; but I'd ask the writing staff to keep the TOS era in mind, and try not to insert TNG style character elements.)
I thought that on a technical level, it was fantastic, on an acting level, it was overall good; but honestly, I felt they tried to go too TNGish in a couple of areas:
1) A ship's counselor on a ship in the TOS era? (loved the actress BTW - very nice to look at
) - Come on. And I'd say the experiment failed as we never saw such ten years later in the TOS film era.2) Kirk, wanting a consensus from his senior staff before je decides what he'll do? Seriously, are they trying to channel Picard in here? remember a great Kirk line from "The Corbomite Maneuver":
Kirk: "I'll keep that in mind Mr. Bailey, when this becomes a democracy."
Kirk does have conferences and does ask for opinions, BUT in the end, he usually makes his own decisions.
(And the above is nit picky I grant you, I just really do enjoy what they've done to date; but I'd ask the writing staff to keep the TOS era in mind, and try not to insert TNG style character elements.)
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I don't know. The sets and effects were good, but the acting was cringe-inducing for me. Everyone tries too hard. I seem to always find the acting in these fan productions off-putting, even when pros are involved. Maybe it's the script rather than the actors. I'm not sure.
And is it really only Trek if it looks like the Sixties vision of the future? I'd rather just enjoy the three seasons that were made than watch fan productions that try to recreate glory days.
I don't know. The sets and effects were good, but the acting was cringe-inducing for me. Everyone tries too hard. I seem to always find the acting in these fan productions off-putting, even when pros are involved. Maybe it's the script rather than the actors. I'm not sure.
And is it really only Trek if it looks like the Sixties vision of the future? I'd rather just enjoy the three seasons that were made than watch fan productions that try to recreate glory days.
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I'd like to think these folks might have their fingers on the pulse of fandom and catching some of our remarks. They should take heart that overall their work is being well received and the nits are few and minor and can be easily addressed in the next project.
No, can't argue with those points. In fact they've been made by numerous people wherever this is being talked about---and believe me the sense is it is really being talked about.I thought that on a technical level, it was fantastic, on an acting level, it was overall good; but honestly, I felt they tried to go too TNGish in a couple of areas:
1) A ship's counselor on a ship in the TOS era? (loved the actress BTW - very nice to look at
2) Kirk, wanting a consensus from his senior staff before je decides what he'll do? Seriously, are they trying to channel Picard in here? remember a great Kirk line from "The Corbomite Maneuver":
Kirk: "I'll keep that in mind Mr. Bailey, when this becomes a democracy."
Kirk does have conferences and does ask for opinions, BUT in the end, he usually makes his own decisions.
(And the above is nit picky I grant you, I just really do enjoy what they've done to date; but I'd ask the writing staff to keep the TOS era in mind, and try not to insert TNG style character elements.)
I'd like to think these folks might have their fingers on the pulse of fandom and catching some of our remarks. They should take heart that overall their work is being well received and the nits are few and minor and can be easily addressed in the next project.
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I have no doubt everyone involved in making these has a lot of fun and is doing it for the love, and that's great, but I can't get through even two minutes of these fanwanks. Star Trek should be about the hopes and wonders of our own future, not merely escape into a 1960s alternate vision of the future. Star Trek is about addressing our own world and looking forward, not clinging to a past we can't let go of.
This.
I have no doubt everyone involved in making these has a lot of fun and is doing it for the love, and that's great, but I can't get through even two minutes of these fanwanks. Star Trek should be about the hopes and wonders of our own future, not merely escape into a 1960s alternate vision of the future. Star Trek is about addressing our own world and looking forward, not clinging to a past we can't let go of.
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Seriously you can still stick to just the three seasons if thats what you want and ignore the rest.
I've made no secret with my views about a lot of contemporary Trek and I haven't been a fan of most fan productions for similar reasons you've cited. But with that said I can appreciate that these folks are expressing (and sharing) their interest in simply a different way than others are. I do have to say I think the STC folks have indeed raised the bar for these kinds of productions. And while I certainly don't consider it canon I do find it enjoyable in much the same way I can enjoy a good comic or decently written novel revisiting familiar characters in a familiar universe.
Uh...yeah.
Seriously you can still stick to just the three seasons if thats what you want and ignore the rest.
I've made no secret with my views about a lot of contemporary Trek and I haven't been a fan of most fan productions for similar reasons you've cited. But with that said I can appreciate that these folks are expressing (and sharing) their interest in simply a different way than others are. I do have to say I think the STC folks have indeed raised the bar for these kinds of productions. And while I certainly don't consider it canon I do find it enjoyable in much the same way I can enjoy a good comic or decently written novel revisiting familiar characters in a familiar universe.
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I'm just curious as to what others find appealing in these fan productions that I don't. Maybe I'm just not seeing something? Or just letting a prejudice get in the way?
On the other hand, why do some fans prefer these fan productions but spurn the official productions? Clearly the recasting of parts isn't the problem, since both official and fan productions have recast. Is it the differing sets? The effects? The script and dialogue delivery?
I just want to understand the appeal of fan productions even if I never share the same the opinion of them as others do. That's where I am puzzled.
I'm just curious as to what others find appealing in these fan productions that I don't. Maybe I'm just not seeing something? Or just letting a prejudice get in the way?
On the other hand, why do some fans prefer these fan productions but spurn the official productions? Clearly the recasting of parts isn't the problem, since both official and fan productions have recast. Is it the differing sets? The effects? The script and dialogue delivery?
I just want to understand the appeal of fan productions even if I never share the same the opinion of them as others do. That's where I am puzzled.
