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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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They pretty much look like bald, working-class vulcans to me.
Maybe you should have another look.

Those actors wore shitloads of prosthetics, and not just on their ears.

Mostly for bald caps and scarring, rather than something that distinctly human.

An interesting look, and scaled back from what was planned/thought about, but still clearly in line with TOS. Far more so than the TNG Romulans, actually.
 
Some more negative reviews, Comingsoon.net and aintitcoolnews both hated it.


Hmmm...I'll have to check out the aintitcoolnews review, but for whatever reason, that doesn't bother me. A few years ago. But I guess seeing so many positive reviews has really heightened my excitement for the film
 
Some more negative reviews, Comingsoon.net and aintitcoolnews both hated it.

From Coming Soon Review:
There's much more to be said about the sheer incompetence of "Into Darkness" on a narrative level, but it can wait until the "spoiler" threat has fully cleared. Anxious fans, however, would do well to remember Mr. Spock's wise words from "Amok Time":

"After a time," he says, "you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

"The Bottom Line:
It's hard not to wonder if the reason Abrams is so big on secrecy in the first place is because he knows his mystery box is empty. This is a "Star Trek" film designed for audiences distracted by shiny objects. Die hard fans -- and the moviegoing public in general -- deserve better than this shameful franchise entry."
 
As far as Kirk's advancement in Starfleet in the JJverse, I pose this: Kirk is a genius. Kirk is a natural leader. He's the 'Good Will Hunting' of Star Trek. End of story.

Cadet Wesley Crusher promoted to Captain is believable to?????????

Well, not much about Kirk, Starfleet or Star Trek has ever been believable in real world terms.

I don't know why fans have decided that the reboot was a good time to notice that and start complaining.

The idea of a man Kirk's age being in command of that ship was always preposterous, something that the producers were fully aware of - they noted in the writer's guide that he was the youngest to have such a command and that therefore a "legend" was growing up about him. Every other captain of such a vessel that we saw in either TOS or TNG was greying and a decade or more older thank Kirk, save one - Tryla Scott in "Conspiracy," and again a point was made that she was extraordinarily young for the job.

The only standards by which Abrams's version of Star Trek falls short of oldTrek in terms of plausibility or real scientific accuracy is if one uses oldTrek as the standard - ie, "to the extent that this is different from TOS or unfamiliar, it's wrong." If one uses any kind of reference to reality or even unbiased logic, both fall really short.
 
Some more negative reviews, Comingsoon.net and aintitcoolnews both hated it.

From Coming Soon Review:
There's much more to be said about the sheer incompetence of "Into Darkness" on a narrative level, but it can wait until the "spoiler" threat has fully cleared. Anxious fans, however, would do well to remember Mr. Spock's wise words from "Amok Time":

"After a time," he says, "you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

"The Bottom Line:
It's hard not to wonder if the reason Abrams is so big on secrecy in the first place is because he knows his mystery box is empty. This is a "Star Trek" film designed for audiences distracted by shiny objects. Die hard fans -- and the moviegoing public in general -- deserve better than this shameful franchise entry."
Sounds like somebody just in to rock the boat.
 
Yeah, the guy at ComingSoon really tried to tear it to shreds. It's actually kind of fascinating just how against the grain he goes compared to other reviews.

Other reviews: Cumberbatch is incredible as Harrison!
This guy: Cumberbatch/Harrison is monotonous.

Sounds like the two people in every hundred that said Heath Ledger was bad as the Joker.

Link: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=103724
 
Yeah, the guy at ComingSoon really tried to tear it to shreds. It's actually kind of fascinating just how against the grain he goes compared to other reviews.

Other reviews: Cumberbatch is incredible as Harrison!
This guy: Cumberbatch/Harrison is monotonous. Next.

Sounds like the two people in every hundred that said Heath Ledger was bad as the Joker.

Link: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=103724
Sounds like a load of old rubbish to me...
 
When did people quit going to the movies for fun? All I want to know is if Into Darkness is an enjoyable two hours...
 
Mostly for bald caps and scarring
More than that. Quite a bit more, actually.

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Someone posted this to the Ain't Cool Review: "so in this timeline the even numbered films suck?"

I got a good laugh out of it.
 
Mostly for bald caps and scarring
More than that. Quite a bit more, actually.

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I see mostly stubble, baldcap, eyebrows, ears and tatoos (stubble, tattoos and bald are not unusual, just distinctive and previously unseen).

Maybe a slight greenish tinge to the makeup under normal lighting (I might be misremembering a normal shot), which fits the Vulcan shared ancestry (Green blood, based on Copper rather than Iron).
 
I know enough folks who wasted money on a useless degree to end up in a trade that pays the rent and then some. And who are very happy. AND realized just how much time and money they wasted following a course expected of them by society of the "right" way of growing up and pursuing a career.

There are better ways, and much less costly ways as well.

And my experience is that everybody who didn't get a significant degree cannot even get a foot in the door for mundane jobs now. You've read of the McDonald's that requires a 4-yr degree for food prep?

I've got 20+ years of pro writing credits, some of that as a fulltime thing and a lot as freelance plus regular crappy day job, and can't even get an interview for a day-in/day-out writing job (which is why I still have the insanely crappy day job) ... I take that back, twice since I've been in the northwest I HAVE gotten writing-related interviews ... both of which ended abruptly when I said, "I have 6 units of college." Didn't matter that in one case we'd gone through all the prelims, including hashing out wages and schedules.

My wife has several years of accounting and bookkeeping work and literally PERFECT job reviews for two decades ... same story, she cannot get a job in that field at all ... need as minimum a 4 yr degree.

I'm not advocating getting more college because it is going to improve you, or because its the time of your life or any of that. But for whatever reason (maybe the employers want workers they know are having to pay off $50,000 or more in college loans, figuring they won't bug out or cause trouble? Haven't really seen a solid professional reason for disqualifying more than competent folk for the lack of higher ed), that is now a much bigger issue than I recall it ever being in the past.

Oh yeah, reason I went into this thread: there is a light tech article on this movie up at icgmagazine.com ... it discusses IMAX and the 3D aspect ... interestingly, and contrary to statements made in the trekmovie forum, shooting flat with conversion in mind did NOT slow down production, because after hearing about all the do-this/don't-do-that, Abrams stopped listening and just shot it as he would anything else.

Link to story is at: http://www.icgmagazine.com/wordpress/2013/05/02/vanishing-point/
 
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Only Star Trek fans out of any genre fandom would look at a huge epic film coming up and complain. How much we take the franchise for granted these days, even after it almost disappeared for a third time not long ago. You can pick it apart, but it mainly matters if it's good entertainment, which ultimately ST in all it's incarnations is.

As for the negative reviews. They may well not have liked it, which is fine, but it smacks of the old popularity backlash...sometimes something is just too popular for the media to take, then they set upon it like wolves. It would have been almost unprecedented for the two JJ Trek films to have 95% approval at RT. There are already many glowing reviews.

RAMA
 
Comparing successful business entrepreneurs starting on their own to an employee working one's self up the ranks of an established organization doesn't really make sense anyways.
It's basic math. Minority versus majority. The majority needs proper education. Only a handful become successful even though they don't have any degrees. And ANY of those will tell you how important a degree is, and they will also demand it from their employees.

It's like a million struggling actors in hollywood vs. a handful of Oscar winners.

Millions of athletes, but only a few record setting Olympians.
 
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