Finale discussion thread (spoilerifictitle insided) *SPOILERS WITHIN*

[JoeZhang]

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I could buy that, it seems to avoid a lot of the over the top nonsense that the fanwank has.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

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I wonder if we are going to find out who the Doctor was before he stole the Tardis and ran away from the timelords, or what he was before he ran away, or even who owned the Tardis before him.

A couple of questions i would love to be answered, although it's not a deal breaker.

 

[Sindatur]

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I wonder if we are going to find out who the Doctor was before he stole the Tardis and ran away from the timelords, or what he was before he ran away, or even who owned the Tardis before him.

A couple of questions i would love to be answered, although it's not a deal breaker.

In the Classic Series Gallifrey involving episodes, I get the impression that TARDISes aren't owned by the Public, they are owned by the Government, and strictly regulated, As is travel in general for Time Lords (especially Time Travel)

 

[Cutter John]

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I wonder if we are going to find out who the Doctor was before he stole the Tardis and ran away from the timelords, or what he was before he ran away, or even who owned the Tardis before him.

A couple of questions i would love to be answered, although it's not a deal breaker.

This. With the Time Lords gone, I don't see any reason to keep it a secret anymore.

I always figured he was just part of a failed uprising on Gallifrey (probably started by The Master). The group managed to steal the Hand of Omega as a bargaining chip, things got out of hand, most of the Doctors family was killed in the fighting and he and Susan barely escaped with the Hand by stealing a Tardis.

But that's just my personal theory.

 

[JoeZhang]

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I wonder if we are going to find out who the Doctor was before he stole the Tardis and ran away from the timelords, or what he was before he ran away, or even who owned the Tardis before him.

A couple of questions i would love to be answered, although it's not a deal breaker.

This. With the Time Lords gone, I don't see any reason to keep it a secret anymore.

But is there any evidence that it was interesting or important to start with? Beyond doing a runner and interfering after he left, there is nothing on screen to suggest that he did anything that the Time-lords find particularly terrible.

 

[Kelso]

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Absolutely no clue on the provenance of the below but it claims to be a synopsis of the Finale. It defintely sounds like a Moffaty script and the lack of the usual Fanwank that goes hand-in-hand with people's fake plots is a mark in its favour. We'll see in less than a month either way.

Spoiler: Finale Or Not?

Clara isn't the impossible girl, she is entirely possible. The Doctor is lured to Tenzalore, which is where his grave is located. The Great Intelligence kidnaps and threatens his friends (the peeps from the christmas special) in order to get the doctor to open the tomb (which is the tardis) The doctor doesn't relent, but River does, she was there when the doctor revealed his true name. The doors open, everyone walks in to see a web of white light. The white light is the doctor, as a body is... Cliche. It is a web of all of the doctor's timelines, everytime he transported in time and space a new strand was created. The Great Intelligence enters into the web and begins to kill the doctor, over a million timelines, and reverting any victory the doctor made, which also kills the Great Intelligence (he has to die in every timeline at some point in time. The universe begins to disappear and the doctor begins to die. To save him, Clara jumps into the Doctor's timeline and saves him over a million times (The dalek asylum, the christmas special, all times Clara saves the doctor) but she too has to die in the process, and dies over a million times. The doctor is saved, time reverted, Clara is dead, but not entirely. The Doctor enters into his own timeline to save her. The Clara the doctor meets in present time is the genuine article, the original. Every Clara we have met have been her, but an offshoot of the original.

That would work for me.

 

[Lonemagpie]

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Absolutely no clue on the provenance of the below but it claims to be a synopsis of the Finale. It defintely sounds like a Moffaty script and the lack of the usual Fanwank that goes hand-in-hand with people's fake plots is a mark in its favour. We'll see in less than a month either way.

Spoiler: Finale Or Not?

Clara isn't the impossible girl, she is entirely possible. The Doctor is lured to Tenzalore, which is where his grave is located. The Great Intelligence kidnaps and threatens his friends (the peeps from the christmas special) in order to get the doctor to open the tomb (which is the tardis) The doctor doesn't relent, but River does, she was there when the doctor revealed his true name. The doors open, everyone walks in to see a web of white light. The white light is the doctor, as a body is... Cliche. It is a web of all of the doctor's timelines, everytime he transported in time and space a new strand was created. The Great Intelligence enters into the web and begins to kill the doctor, over a million timelines, and reverting any victory the doctor made, which also kills the Great Intelligence (he has to die in every timeline at some point in time. The universe begins to disappear and the doctor begins to die. To save him, Clara jumps into the Doctor's timeline and saves him over a million times (The dalek asylum, the christmas special, all times Clara saves the doctor) but she too has to die in the process, and dies over a million times. The doctor is saved, time reverted, Clara is dead, but not entirely. The Doctor enters into his own timeline to save her. The Clara the doctor meets in present time is the genuine article, the original. Every Clara we have met have been her, but an offshoot of the original.

Seems totally believable as a Moffat finale

 

[Sindatur]

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I wonder if we are going to find out who the Doctor was before he stole the Tardis and ran away from the timelords, or what he was before he ran away, or even who owned the Tardis before him.

A couple of questions i would love to be answered, although it's not a deal breaker.

This. With the Time Lords gone, I don't see any reason to keep it a secret anymore.

I always figured he was just part of a failed uprising on Gallifrey (probably started by The Master). The group managed to steal the Hand of Omega as a bargaining chip, things got out of hand, most of the Doctors family was killed in the fighting and he and Susan barely escaped with the Hand by stealing a Tardis.

But that's just my personal theory.

He has told us he bolted after being elected President

 

[Allyn Gibson]

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He has told us he bolted after being elected President

When was this?

He certainly bolts at the end of "The Five Doctors" when Flavia says that Gallifrey needs him. And I suppose that his line to Tegen could imply that his original departure was for similar reasons. That said, we don't actually know why the Doctor left Gallifrey originally.

 

[Sindatur]

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He has told us he bolted after being elected President

When was this?

He certainly bolts at the end of "The Five Doctors" when Flavia says that Gallifrey needs him. And I suppose that his line to Tegen could imply that his original departure was for similar reasons. That said, we don't actually know why the Doctor left Gallifrey originally.

Yea, "told us" was overstated, I should have said "implied", because Teagan appears to be asking if he's bailing after being elected Pres in a rickety old bucket of bolts. I seem to remember there have been other references as well to his being President (Invasion of Time(?), he's able to stand for Pres. because of a former claim?)

 

[MacLeod]

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The only problem with trying to anything too big, is that all you can do is fail.

Will we hear the Doctor's real name, I seriously doubt it. Will we learn something about the Doctor perhaps, but with a Character like the Doctor you don't want to give too much away. Not every mystery about has to be resolved. Sometimes it's better not to give too much away, answer this do we really want to know all the answers? Surely what will happen is that you'll dissapoint/anger a part of the audiance.

But remember rule one the Doctor lies, or at least tells the truth from a certain point of view.

 

[Cutter John]

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Yea, "told us" was overstated, I should have said "implied", because Teagan appears to be asking if he's bailing after being elected Pres in a rickety old bucket of bolts. I seem to remember there have been other references as well to his being President (Invasion of Time(?), he's able to stand for Pres. because of a former claim?)

That seems a bit of a stretch to me. Especially considerign how they treat him afte rhe's captured in The War Games.
I'm thinking he was just referring to the "Going on the run from your own people in a rackity old Tardis" part.

 

[Mr Awe]

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Absolutely no clue on the provenance of the below but it claims to be a synopsis of the Finale. It defintely sounds like a Moffaty script and the lack of the usual Fanwank that goes hand-in-hand with people's fake plots is a mark in its favour. We'll see in less than a month either way.

Spoiler: Finale Or Not?

Clara isn't the impossible girl, she is entirely possible. The Doctor is lured to Tenzalore, which is where his grave is located. The Great Intelligence kidnaps and threatens his friends (the peeps from the christmas special) in order to get the doctor to open the tomb (which is the tardis) The doctor doesn't relent, but River does, she was there when the doctor revealed his true name. The doors open, everyone walks in to see a web of white light. The white light is the doctor, as a body is... Cliche. It is a web of all of the doctor's timelines, everytime he transported in time and space a new strand was created. The Great Intelligence enters into the web and begins to kill the doctor, over a million timelines, and reverting any victory the doctor made, which also kills the Great Intelligence (he has to die in every timeline at some point in time. The universe begins to disappear and the doctor begins to die. To save him, Clara jumps into the Doctor's timeline and saves him over a million times (The dalek asylum, the christmas special, all times Clara saves the doctor) but she too has to die in the process, and dies over a million times. The doctor is saved, time reverted, Clara is dead, but not entirely. The Doctor enters into his own timeline to save her. The Clara the doctor meets in present time is the genuine article, the original. Every Clara we have met have been her, but an offshoot of the original.

If that's the real deal,hopefully it's better than the summary!

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

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I could buy that, it seems to avoid a lot of the over the top nonsense that the fanwank has.

Saving the Doctor over a million times isn't over-the-top?! I'd hate to see what you think is actually OTT!

Mr Awe

 

[StCoop]

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Saving the Doctor over a million times isn't over-the-top?! I'd hate to see what you think is actually OTT!

Mr Awe

Does it really seem any different from Rebooting The Universe or All Time Happening at Once on a level of scale?

It might be true, it might be false but it's clearly a Moffat-style idea.

 

[Mr Awe]

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^ I didn't comment on whether or not it's Moffat's style. I just countered the notion that it wasn't OTT.

 

[JoeZhang]

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I could buy that, it seems to avoid a lot of the over the top nonsense that the fanwank has.

Saving the Doctor over a million times isn't over-the-top?! I'd hate to see what you think is actually OTT!

Mr Awe

I mean in terms of production, that is doable with them explaining it and showing a couple of timelines (three of which we have already seen). A fanwank version would claim that it would feature Susan, Jamie, Teagan, the fifth doctor, K9, the Valyard and the White Guardian.

 

[Mr Awe]

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^ Saving the Doctor over a million times is OTT regardless of how you define it!

And, if she does save the Doctor that many times, you can almost bet the story would contain that list of characters like that. After all, if she's visiting the time lines, you're going to be seeing them, or at least you should.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

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The reviewer at AV Club has this Insane, Obviously Wrong Theory:

Look, any garden-variety Doctor Who crackpot theorist can suggest that Clara is the Rani, because every female character we’ve seen on Doctor Who since 1985 is probably the Rani. But I’ll do you one better—what if the reason the TARDIS doesn’t trust Clara is because Clara is actually a TARDIS herself? The Rani is a scientist, after all, so perhaps she devised a chameleon circuit that takes on the form of living beings… except, much like the Doctor’s TARDIS, it got stuck on one appearance, which is why an identical-looking young woman keeps popping up in different time periods, and her apparent deaths are just dematerializations. So then, Clara is the Rani’s TARDIS. Also, she’s also the Rani, because, well… why not?

It's a crazy theory and it's probably not true...and yet, it makes some sense.

 

[diankra]

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No, no, definitely not the Rani. She's Chancellor Flavia!!!

And they secretly recorded some flashback scenes with Dinah Sheridan just before she died!!!!!