Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

[davejames]

You mean you haven't noticed that he doesn't shoot everything he does exactly the same?

Yeah, I've noticed he makes every movie look really bold and exciting and dynamic. And he populates them with lots of fun and energetic characters.

I certainly agree that his Trek was not the deepest or most complex thing ever, but it still had much more heart and character than the usual summer blockbuster. And he somehow managed to make the 40 year old Trek universe feel incredibly fresh and alive again, which is no small feat either.

I can't wait to see him do the same thing with SW.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

BTW, according to the L.A. Times and the folks at Paramount today, Abrams is a lock to produce the next Trek movie if they do one. If he doesn't direct it, one of his people will.

If Abrams does not direct, that could leave either Lindelof or Kurtzman and Orci in the director’s chair, or perhaps another Abrams associate such as filmmaker Matt Reeves, who helmed the Abrams-produced monster movie “Cloverfield”...

It seems for now Abrams’ relationship with Paramount remains strong — every film Abrams has directed or produced since 2006′s “Mission: Impossible III” has been for the studio, where Bad Robot enjoys a lucrative first-look deal.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I'm concerned that you found the last three Star Wars films enjoyable.

You need not concern yourself.

Relax cupcake, it's a joke.

*grabs the popcorn and readies herself to watch a fight*

 

[Greg Cox]

Is it just me or is there a lot of hyperbole and melodrama being thrown around here?

Again, bottom line: a guy who directed a couple of movies in one series is also going to direct a movie in another, similar series. This may or may not impact his ability to direct yet another movie in the first series.

That's all.

It's an intriguing new development, but probably nothing to get worked up about.

I get what you're saying, although I personally get very worked up about it, and for good reason. I just hate that my two favorite Sci Fi franchises have gone into the gutter (live action wise, I still love the SW Expanded Universe, and most ST books that come out, so atleast thats something). In general, there is just no good shows on tV, atleast compared to the past, and definately no good Sci fi since Eureka ended last year. If a good Star Trek/Sci fi TV series was on, I would still hate Abrams, but I'd have something to watch so that I could just ignore his horrible movies. But, because there isn't an alternative, I have to look at the few things that do come out and seeing that stuff, with nothing good as an alternative, makes the horrible the stuff we do get push me from angry to enraged.

On other hand, it's worth remembering that this stuff is supposed to be fun . . . or what's the point? You don't want to take it so to heart that you're not enjoying yourself anymore.

As somebody reminded me once, babies will not die for this.

 

[theenglish]

As someone who wasn't a big fan of Trek XI, I wouldn't argue its success or viability, I just didn't care for it personally.

I side with kirk55555 in this arguement but wish Abrams well in his attempts to return Star Wars to a higher level. If he is not writing, I think as a director he will be ok. I disagreed with nearly every writing decision in Star Trek. Hated the lensflare no end, but thought his overall direction and shot choices were good enough.

As director, the lens flares were part of his direction and shot choices. And you can be damned well sure he'll use them in SW.

Hard to say, I think the flares were probably to sell us on the future as shiny, bright and new. I don't know that SW warrants such. Do the flares pre-date Trek?

Star Wars is not the future. It was a long time ago.

 

[sidious618]

Anyone who "hates" Abrams needs to take a step back and get some perspective.

Why can't I hate Abrams? He's a hack that keeps getting to destroy things I enjoy. Everything about him makes me wish I could spit in his face.

That's horrible. Wanting to spit in someone's face because their style isn't to your liking is absurd. If Abrams was making borderline propaganda films or something I'd understand, a little, the hate, but this is completely out of proportion.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Yeah spitting in the guy's face is a bit of an over-reaction.

Maybe try flicking a booger at the back of his head and go from there.

 

[Kelthaz]

I remember when being a fan was fun.... sigh.

Before the dark times. Before the Internet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah spitting in the guy's face is a bit of an over-reaction.

Maybe try flicking a booger at the back of his head and go from there.

Why not just stuck your tongue out or call him a doo doo head?

 

[Skywalker]

Yeah spitting in the guy's face is a bit of an over-reaction.

Maybe try flicking a booger at the back of his head and go from there.

Why not just stuck your tongue out or call him a doo doo head?

I already called dibs on those.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I'm glad he's directing Star Wars. It's already a pleasure watching fandom melting down, and I eagerly await the poll "Which Franchise Did Abrams Ruin MOAR Star Wars or Star Trek?!!?!"

Just wait till we get the reaction if he doesn't slavishly follow the EU, the internet might burn down.

The EU? You mean the EU in the books, that only a tiny percentage of the movie going public purchases?

Yeah... not enough people care about the EU to matter.

Let the internet burn down.

 

[FordSVT]

Damn. I can understand that not everyone likes the same things, but I don't think there is any way someone could actually convince me that Abrams' Star Trek is actually that bad.

Well, watch ST TMP, the ideal of what ST wanted to be, and then watch Khan, the perfect balance, and then watch Abrams Trek. Where are the themes? Where is the human equation? Where are the big questions?

And IMHO, Star Wars had those same things in a different style. If Abrams can bring to Star Wars what he originally brought to Alias then great. If he brings Revolution or the final two years of Lost then CRAP.

ST:TMP was boring as shit. Star Trek: First Contact was awesome. A Piece of the Action was a sweet TOS episode.

I'm really tired of people telling me that "real" Star Trek has to be cerebral and moral and teach me a lesson about the human condition every step of the way. Star Trek is many things, that's the beauty of it and why it has endured.

What did "Where No Man Has Gone Before" teach me, to not cross the galactic barrier? That the day might come where I might have to kill my friend if he becomes a freak Space Mutant God?

 

[indianatrekker26]

http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-...j-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-episode-vii.html starwars.com has now confirmed it. JJ is indeed director of episode 7.

 

[bigdaddy]

Being that nothing really happened in the prequels that I would even consider a spoiler, I think it would be a step up if it had some mystery. Mystery means there is a plot.

And I'm a Star Wars fan, a friend of mine is a Star Wars fan, my grandma is a huge Star Wars fan. All three of us combined have never read a Star Wars novel, couldn't tell you a single thing about them. So fuck the books, make an entertaining movie. The people who will bitch and moan about every little damn thing will be the same ones camping out for a week to be the first to watch it.

 

[DarthPipes]

They also officially confirmed that Lawrence Kasdan will be a consultant on the film. It's a pretty good crew they've assembled with Abrams at the helm.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I hope Artoo and C3po finally do it.

This will they won't they shit is for the birds.

 

[degra]

I'm tired of Abrams. He is really overrated. Most of the stuff he is associated with is pretty shallow,,,which is fine if it entertaining but in my opinion it is not.

it is just a bunch of ADHD pacing where you really can't appreciate what's going on, gimmicks like flashbacks, twists cliffhangers in place of coherent storytelling. Characters who are plot devices and stories that are emotionally vacuous.

fringe was a mediocre series,,,hardly in the pantheon of solid sff shows. Undercover spy on NBC was bland. Star trek was a pitiful film with a weak villain, plotholes galore and no heart. His most recognizable show being lost ultimately was an overly complicated gimmicky convoluted mess with no coherence and way too many characters to care about. Alcatraz was more of the same mystery hand waving and was rightfully canned.

 

[brian577]

Damn. I can understand that not everyone likes the same things, but I don't think there is any way someone could actually convince me that Abrams' Star Trek is actually that bad.

I'm really tired of people telling me that "real" Star Trek has to be cerebral and moral and teach me a lesson about the human condition every step of the way. Star Trek is many things, that's the beauty of it and why it has endured.

Not every step of the way, but having it as a underlying theme on occasion is nice. Even the worst of the original 10 had this on some level. Nemesis had nature vs. nurture elements, Generations had regret. These elements don't define the story but they are generally present. Not so with ST 09

 

[scnj]

Damn. I can understand that not everyone likes the same things, but I don't think there is any way someone could actually convince me that Abrams' Star Trek is actually that bad.

I'm really tired of people telling me that "real" Star Trek has to be cerebral and moral and teach me a lesson about the human condition every step of the way. Star Trek is many things, that's the beauty of it and why it has endured.

Not every step of the way, but having it as a underlying theme on occasion is nice. Even the worst of the original 10 had this on some level. Nemesis had nature vs. nurture elements, Generations had regret. These elements don't define the story but they are generally present. Not so with ST 09

Fatherhood. Kirk was a rebellious little shit because his father died, but he got in line when he had a surrogate father (Captain Pike) to live up to, as well as the legacy his own father set. Then there's Spock, who wants to be the best Vulcan he can and take after his father's side of the family, but has trouble keeping his human emotions in check.

How do people continually say that ST09 had no themes whatsoever?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Spock came out of the closet in the last movie, TOS allegory style. TOS fanboys who worship the original for it's allegories totally missed it. LOL.