Anti-Spock racism/general disrespect for the XO

[Melakon]

It strikes you that way because. . .

Please don't presume that you know how I think.

 

[Captain Tracy]

From the in-universe perspective, that of Spock's, the opposite is true, though. McCoy would be the inferior breed, the representative of the more-animal-than-man servant race that enjoys the privilege of working for the superior greenblood nobility. It's a cannon-fodder crew of "blacks" there, with one worthy "white" slumming with them for noble reasons of his own, and being quite tolerant of the racial slurs of 'em stupid niggers because naturally they just won't know any better.

Timo Saloniemi

Exactly spot-on. Again, it is all about PERSPECTIVES. That is probably the best summation of the likely attitude which Spock has to deal with on a ship full of humans.

I suppose if one considers he must keep his 'human-half' in check continually, I wonder if that same half of him just want to scream out in frustration about "those stupid freakin' Terrans"? LOL!

 

[Captain Tracy]

It strikes you that way because. . .

Please don't presume that you know how I think.

and that would be the "collective" use of the word "you, we, or us",.. not the "personal".

 

[Anwar]

Exactly spot-on. Again, it is all about PERSPECTIVES. That is probably the best summation of the likely attitude which Spock has to deal with on a ship full of humans.

Again though, it makes him a hypocrite because he knows full well that the Vulcans used to be far worse than Humanity ever was.

 

[Kegg]

But like I said, replace all their "Green blooded bastard" stuff with normal racist terms like calling Sulu "Yellow-skinned bastard" or Uhura "Negress", and these guys become a lot less sympathetic.

I suppose the positive spin of this is that Star Trek reserved its racial ribbing (or racial tension as with Stiles) for a fictional species, implicitly suggesting that racism was very much in Earth's past.

But also yeah, the show does carry its 1960s baggage around and that's dated some aspects pretty badly.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Exactly spot-on. Again, it is all about PERSPECTIVES. That is probably the best summation of the likely attitude which Spock has to deal with on a ship full of humans.

Again though, it makes him a hypocrite because he knows full well that the Vulcans used to be far worse than Humanity ever was.

So? He's never exactly kept that to himself. He's more than happy to tell people Vulcans were bad ass crazy back in the day. He uses it a teaching moment.

Do we bring up the Vikings every time a Scandinavian criticizes the current behavior of another country?

 

[Captain Tracy]

Exactly spot-on. Again, it is all about PERSPECTIVES. That is probably the best summation of the likely attitude which Spock has to deal with on a ship full of humans.

Again though, it makes him a hypocrite because he knows full well that the Vulcans used to be far worse than Humanity ever was.

So? He's never exactly kept that to himself. He's more than happy to tell people Vulcans were bad ass crazy back in the day. He uses it a teaching moment.

Do we bring up the Vikings every time a Scandinavian criticizes the current behavior of another country?

Agreed.

Also, the fact that SPOCK is a product of the history and philosophies of his culture, does not mean that his personal feelings have to go lock-step with the collective norm.

So while he is well aware of the "barbaric" past of the Vulcans, that in no way means that he does not have to fight the urge to rip the head off off Dr. McCoy and shout Shakespearean Soliloquies down the good Doctors erased neck.

It just makes him real.

As I said before, "folks is folks" saying one thing, while thinking another.

 

[A beaker full of death]

The men openly chased the women, and punched each other out, got drunk, and talked about honor,.. and they DID NOT walk around the bridge on egg shells because Uhura was "other than caucasian", and Sulu's hobby was flowers.

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

 

[Warped9]

A lot of people forget that "Gene's vision of a perfect humanity where everyone gets along" is a legend that started after the show went off the air. The characters in the original series were not like that, so their behavior can seem shocking. They were good people, but flawed, arrogant, and yes, even a bit racist. But that's what makes them so interesting, even today.

Truth.

The men openly chased the women, and punched each other out, got drunk, and talked about honor,.. and they DID NOT walk around the bridge on egg shells because Uhura was "other than caucasian", and Sulu's hobby was flowers.

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

 

[Anwar]

The men openly chased the women, and punched each other out, got drunk, and talked about honor,.. and they DID NOT walk around the bridge on egg shells because Uhura was "other than caucasian", and Sulu's hobby was flowers.

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

What exactly was so good with that, really?

And Spock acts like humans are the worst bunch around, when even he knows that isn't true. He acts like they're worse than the Klingons or Romulans or whatever else.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The men openly chased the women, and punched each other out, got drunk, and talked about honor,.. and they DID NOT walk around the bridge on egg shells because Uhura was "other than caucasian", and Sulu's hobby was flowers.

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

What exactly was so good with that, really?

And Spock acts like humans are the worst bunch around, when even he knows that isn't true. He acts like they're worse than the Klingons or Romulans or whatever else.

Which episodes are those?

 

[Anwar]

Just his general attitude towards humans really. He keeps bringing up the nastiness in their past (constantly forgetting about the nastiness in the Vulcans' pasts) like they're the worst.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Just his general attitude towards humans really. He keeps bringing up the nastiness in their past (constantly forgetting about the nastiness in the Vulcans' pasts) like they're the worst.

You're gonna have to to better than that. Where does he say or at least imply that Humans are the worst species ever? And as I said before, he's quite willing to discuss Vulcan's nasty past.

You have watched TOS, right?

 

[Silvercrest]

So yes,.. anytime you see the words The REAL before an organizations moniker, watch out.

... Ghostbusters?

 

[Captain Tracy]

The men openly chased the women, and punched each other out, got drunk, and talked about honor,.. and they DID NOT walk around the bridge on egg shells because Uhura was "other than caucasian", and Sulu's hobby was flowers.

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

What exactly was so good with that,

Well, if you weren't there,... there would be no way to explain the difference to you,... let me guess, you were born sometime after 1989,.. yes?

 

[Maurice]

Not everyone looks at the past through a romanticized haze.

 

[Captain Tracy]

So yes,.. anytime you see the words The REAL before an organizations moniker, watch out.

... Ghostbusters?

LOL!!! GOOD ONE!!!! and certainly holds up the case too! LOL!!

 

[Captain Tracy]

I'd like to think by the 23rd century, assuming humanity is even a going concern, we don't look into every little thing looking for something to get our feelings hurt and cry foul over.

I would like to agree, but the way things are, the trend seems to be going the opposite way. If anything, the cry of "I'm offended!!!" will likely be used more often. .

You have no idea how right on the money you are.

It so bad today that you can't make a crack about something totally innocuous without someone reading their own personal paranoid BS into it, and projecting something completely different onto your words, and screaming: "LAW GIVERS,.. LAW GIVERS,.. LANDRU,.. HELP ME,.. I'VE WET MYSELF,.. LANDRU,.. "

It's Pathetic.

 

[Anwar]

Fuck me, but I miss those days. What exactly was so wrong with that, again?

What exactly was so good with that,

Well, if you weren't there,... there would be no way to explain the difference to you,... let me guess, you were born sometime after 1989,.. yes?

Well, no actually. I'm older than that.

It so bad today that you can't make a crack about something totally innocuous without someone reading their own personal paranoid BS into it, and projecting something completely different onto your words,

"Totally innocuous" in what way? Making cracks about Jewish people being greedy, Arabs wearing towels on their heads, etc?

 

[Captain Tracy]

What exactly was so good with that,

Well, if you weren't there,... there would be no way to explain the difference to you,... let me guess, you were born sometime after 1989,.. yes?

Well, no actually. I'm older than that.

It so bad today that you can't make a crack about something totally innocuous without someone reading their own personal paranoid BS into it, and projecting something completely different onto your words,

"Totally innocuous" in what way? Making cracks about Jewish people being greedy, Arabs wearing towels on their heads, etc?

Really? Then you should be able to compare and contrast the pre-1990 and post 1990 cultural paradigm shift, and answer your question for yourself. The good and bad in both, is very evident.

Absolutely not! - Using the people you cited in your question - A crack about how cheap the towels are in the company washroom,.. and both guys in your example run down to HR crying,.. one claiming you made a remark as crack about Arabs aimed at him, and the other claiming your remark was aimed at him because he is Jewish.

I am talking about people who are so hypersensitive and paranoid, that if someone sneezes - "A-CHOO" - in their conditioned state, will patently swear you called them a "A JEW" as a slur,.. or,.. ask the fellow next to you at the sink station in an employee bathroom - who is nearest the dispenser - if he wouldn't mind handing you a towel,.. and he runs out screaming to the HR dept, that you purposely singled him out in front of the other men, to make fun of his Arabic culture.


Happens everywhere,.. even on here.

It is all just so sad,.. and it's the preamble, via social conditioning, to the eventual institution of the "Orwellian Thought Police"