The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Grading & Discussion (Spoilers)

[AvBaur]

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The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf.

Did you miss the parts where Gandalf sends messages to the eagles via insects? (a moth and a butterfly, respectively)

 

[JarodRussell]

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The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf.

Did you miss the parts where Gandalf sends messages to the eagles via insects? (a moth and a butterfly, respectively)

He meant that in the books they happened to be there, while in the films they were summoned by Gandalf.

 

[Klaus]

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This might make Gandalf seem like a manipulative jerk, but I'm not so sure he isn't.

Manipulative, yes... but jerk? Only when necessary.

 

[AvBaur]

Re: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - Grading & Discussion (Spoilers

The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf.

Did you miss the parts where Gandalf sends messages to the eagles via insects? (a moth and a butterfly, respectively)

He meant that in the books they happened to be there, while in the films they were summoned by Gandalf.

Ah, I guess I misunderstood that, then. Also, it's been a while since I've read the books...

 

[Drago-Kazov]

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Anybody else noticed how similar Oin looks to older Koloth?

 

[Garrovick]

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The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf.

Did you miss the parts where Gandalf sends messages to the eagles via insects? (a moth and a butterfly, respectively)

He meant that in the books they happened to be there, while in the films they were summoned by Gandalf.

Actually, if memory serves, in Fellowship of the Ring (the novel, not the film), Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because Radagast asked Gwaihir to report to Gandalf on the movements of Sauron's forces and Gandalf had informed Radagast that he was on his way to consult with Saruman regarding the overall situation, so Gwaihir knew to look for Gandalf at Isengard. So, while Gandalf didn't summon Gwaihir directly in the novel, it also wasn't just a coincidence.

 

[Davros]

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Actually, if memory serves, in Fellowship of the Ring (the novel, not the film), Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because Radagast asked Gwaihir to report to Gandalf on the movements of Sauron's forces and Gandalf had informed Radagast that he was on his way to consult with Saruman regarding the overall situation, so Gwaihir knew to look for Gandalf at Isengard. So, while Gandalf didn't summon Gwaihir directly in the novel, it also wasn't just a coincidence.

Correct

 

[Patrick O'Brien]

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Solid B+

 

[Klaus]

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So I saw it a 2nd time in 48fps 3D after 2D on opening night... I'm not entirely sold, but it was very interesting. As others have, I found it distracting in the interior close-ups, especially early on, but I did like it in the action sequences. It was definitely a different experience than regular projection, but my reaction is mixed.

One thing I wonder is what it would look like in 48fps 2D... I don't much like 3D and wouldn't have gone to see it that way w/o the HFR option. I'd really like to see it in HFR 2D, but I guess that's not going to happen until at least the BR comes out.

I find 3D to be useless fluff/eyestrain for the most part... the only gotcha! moment for me was the moth flying "out of the screen" after talking to Gandalf -- that looked cool. Other than that the most impressive 3D part was the WB logo in the beginning lol.

Oh, I think PJ is the fat hobbit swigging from a bottle on Bagshot Row right after Bilbo's first talk w/Gandalf...

Still a great deal of fun, and I'll stick w/my A-.

 

[Set Harth]

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Did it look OK when you saw it in 2D?

 

[Klaus]

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I liked it a lot in 2D, there were a few moments of iffy CGI, mainly the wargs...

 

[Trekker4747]

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Just got back from it. I really enjoyed it. Not likely to be a movie I'll ever watch again or own on home video, but I did like the movie and look forward to the future installations in the series. Good fun character moments (loved the scene between Bilbo and Gollumn) and little touches. I'd grade it a B+.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

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Did it look OK when you saw it in 2D?

My biggest gripe about the 2D version is that it seemed like the lip-sync was slightly off (as compared to the 3D HFR version). Perhaps it was just my theater, but it seemed like the conversion to 24fps gave the impression that the ADR was really off - something that was not an issue in 48fps. Otherwise, the film looked great in 2D 24fps.

Still, I just loved the clarity that HFR presented. I never once had an issue with it seeming "too clear" and, once my schedule clears after the holidays, I'll probably seek out another viewing at 3D HFR - just to see if my brain ever gets used to the format and no longer sees actions moving too fast.

 

[Blue_Trek]

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Was there a brief shot of Gimili in this movie, it seems like I saw him for like 3 seconds, or was that one of his predecessors ?

 

[Klaus]

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^^In one of the flashbacks? It might have been a younger Glóin too.

 

[Skywalker]

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Gimli hadn't been born yet at the time of Erebor's sacking. The only other Dwarf I recognized in the flashbacks, aside from Thorin, was Balin.

 

[DimesDan]

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Also, is there some kind of explanation in the books as to why the giant eagles don't just fly Gandalf and the gang all the way to their destination? Like maybe they aren't able to leave a certain area? Or they don't want to get too close and risk the dragon sensing them?

I guess the idea is that the eagles aren't actually all that keen on interfering in the business of the other peoples of Middle Earth. But they'll do the occasional small favor for their good friend Gandalf.

I believe the Eagles are direct servants of god, like the Wizards, and so only help the heroes enough to get them to the next stage of their development.

The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf. In each case, there's a certain reluctance on their part to help out and only helped out in a limited manner and out of favor to Radagast, neither of which is clear in Fellowship of the Ring or An Unexpected Journey.

Um, each time Gandalf in the films needs help from the Eagles, he get's a moth, whispers something and then they appear. It happened at Orthanic, it happened at the Black Gate and it happened when they were in "the frying pan" so each time, they were summoned by Gandalf.

 

[Mr Light]

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I just read the Eagles part of the Hobbit and they refuse to go anywhere near Men because they shoot at them for eating their sheep. And the "Lord of the Eagles" only came to save them because he saw the wargs and goblins and wanted to see what they were doing.

Of course, this was written before he did LOTR and retroactively created the whole mythology.

 

[Professor Zoom]

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Also, is there some kind of explanation in the books as to why the giant eagles don't just fly Gandalf and the gang all the way to their destination? Like maybe they aren't able to leave a certain area? Or they don't want to get too close and risk the dragon sensing them?

I believe the Eagles are direct servants of god, like the Wizards, and so only help the heroes enough to get them to the next stage of their development.

The problem lies also lies with how Peter Jackson depicts the Eagles' rescues in both the trilogy and The Hobbit. In the trilogy, Gwaihir rescues Gandalf from Orthanc because he happens to passing by the area, not because he was summoned by Gandalf. Additionally, in The Hobbit, the eagles only happened to be in the area and decided to help out, and again, they were not summoned by Gandalf. In each case, there's a certain reluctance on their part to help out and only helped out in a limited manner and out of favor to Radagast, neither of which is clear in Fellowship of the Ring or An Unexpected Journey.

Um, each time Gandalf in the films needs help from the Eagles, he get's a moth, whispers something and then they appear. It happened at Orthanic, it happened at the Black Gate and it happened when they were in "the frying pan" so each time, they were summoned by Gandalf.

The three eagles. Dues. Ex. And Machina.

I hate the eagles as a story telling device.

 

[backstept]

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Gimli hadn't been born yet at the time of Erebor's sacking. The only other Dwarf I recognized in the flashbacks, aside from Thorin, was Balin.

Dwalin was in the flashbacks too. He had a mohawk back then.