Futureproofing (for viewing) the next Trek TV series

[RAMA]

I dont see 4k happening, and 4k tv may never become [practical even though it's technically possible (and the equipment exists to show it). I would think futureproffing would amount to a consistent and backed up cgi library as well as it being filmed in 2k.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

I dont see 4k happening, and 4k tv may never become [practical even though it's technically possible (and the equipment exists to show it). I would think futureproffing would amount to a consistent and backed up cgi library as well as it being filmed in 2k.

RAMA let's look a little into the future rather than just the next couple of years. CBS will want to be able to sell the next Trek TV series for years to come. By futureproofing it with the future trends in technology.
news in January 2013:

The Japanese government plans to launch commercial broadcasting in 4K resolution in mid-2014 and start test broadcasting in 8K resolution sometimes in 2016.

Japan's ministry of internal affairs and communications plans to establish the first broadcasting in 4K UHD resolution by the middle of the world’s football cup 2014. Those who are fond of soccer and own 4K UHDTVs will be able to enjoy the game in ultra-detailed and pristine quality. The government has specifically brought 4K broadcasting forward by around two years. The service will begin from communications satellites, followed by satellite broadcasting and ground digital broadcasting,

Eutelsat Communications earlier in January announced it is launching a dedicated demonstration ultra HD channel for Europe on the Eutelsat 10A satellite. The first transmissions of content filmed in 4K have started earlier this month.

January 2013...

The new channel will operate in progressive mode at 50fps. It will be encoded in MPEG-4 and transmitted at 40Mb/s in four quad HD streams. Eutelsat is partnering with Ateme, a video compression solution provider to the broadcast industry, for the transmissions that will be uplinked to the Eutelsat 10A satellite from its teleport in Rambouillet, near Paris.

Japanese Government to Launch 4K UHDTV Broadcasting in 2014.

For Japanese viewers, that future could start in July 2014 according to the Asahi newspaper, in time for the final match of the 2014 football World Cup which is set to take place in Brazil.

According to Futuresource Consulting, Broadcasters and Pay TV operators are already trialling the technology due to the need to continue innovation and maintain competitiveness. TV Globo in Brazil are very proactive in evaluating 4K thanks to the 2016 Olympics and Futuresource Consulting quoted DirecTV, Sky, Comcast, Canal + and SES Astra as all looking at the technology. In fact, a few operators are expected to launch 4K channels in 2014.

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I can see 4k broadcasts in digital cinemas in North America of the 2014 world cup soccer. Soccer fans will pay $ for this. A daily ticket or perhaps a ticket for the week to see it in 4k.

Actually rather an interesting mention as other than Netflix, Amazon Instant Streaming, and Hulu Plus trying 4K by 2015 I can see DirectTV or Dish Satellite in North American having 4K broadcasts. If they make a deal with CBS for content we may see the next Trek series broadcast in 4k in 2017 via satellite dish subscription under a premium 4k channel subscription. I don't see cable TV moving to 4k anytime in the next 5 years but satellite TV maybe in North America.

For Trek since medium and high level feature films are being mastered in 4k already now I would think in 4-5 years that a Trek TV series would be shot and mastered in 4k looking down the road.

 

[AviTrek]

I dont see 4k happening, and 4k tv may never become [practical even though it's technically possible (and the equipment exists to show it). I would think futureproffing would amount to a consistent and backed up cgi library as well as it being filmed in 2k.

RAMA let's look a little into the future rather than just the next couple of years. CBS will want to be able to sell the next Trek TV series for years to come. By futureproofing it with the future trends in technology.
news in January 2013:

The Japanese government plans to launch commercial broadcasting in 4K resolution in mid-2014 and start test broadcasting in 8K resolution sometimes in 2016.

January 2013...
Japanese Government to Launch 4K UHDTV Broadcasting in 2014.

For Japanese viewers, that future could start in July 2014 according to the Asahi newspaper, in time for the final match of the 2014 football World Cup which is set to take place in Brazil.

According to Futuresource Consulting, Broadcasters and Pay TV operators are already trialling the technology due to the need to continue innovation and maintain competitiveness. TV Globo in Brazil are very proactive in evaluating 4K thanks to the 2016 Olympics and Futuresource Consulting quoted DirecTV, Sky, Comcast, Canal + and SES Astra as all looking at the technology. In fact, a few operators are expected to launch 4K channels in 2014.

source
I can see 4k broadcasts in digital cinemas in North America of the 2014 world cup soccer. Soccer fans will pay $ for this. A daily ticket or perhaps a ticket for the week to see it in 4k.

Actually rather an interesting mention as other than Netflix, Amazon Instant Streaming, and Hulu Plus trying 4K by 2015 I can see DirectTV or Dish Satellite in North American having 4K broadcasts. If they make a deal with CBS for content we may see the next Trek series broadcast in 4k in 2017 via satellite dish subscription under a premium 4k channel subscription. I don't see cable TV moving to 4k anytime in the next 5 years but satellite TV maybe in North America.

For Trek since medium and high level feature films are being mastered in 4k already now I would think in 4-5 years that a Trek TV series would be shot and mastered in 4k looking down the road.

4K is not some magical better resolution. At TV sizes people have at home and the distance they sit from the TV 1080 is already at or past the maximum resolution a human eye can see. The only reason 4k may make sense for theaters is because the screen is larger. Fast forwarding 10 years doesn't change the human eye, and fans going to a theater is more about the communal experience than a magical 4k improved quality.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

How to create 4K content for new Ultra HD TVs was addressed Tuesday at the Hollywood Post Alliance Tech Retreat.

Sony Pictures Television plans to shoot between three and five pilots in 4K this season.



“My guess is we’ll be doing half a dozen shows in 4K if they are picked up,” SPT senior vp technical operations Phil Squyres said Tuesday at the Hollywood Post Alliance Tech Retreat at the Hyatt Regency Indian Wells. He reported that directors of photography on the programs -- a mix of half-hour comedies and one-hour dramas -- had either selected or were exploring the use of various 4K cameras, including Sony’s F65 and new F55.



SPT series that have already used 4K photography are the canceled CBS drama Made in Jersey, which was shot with the F65, and FX’s drama Justified, which is shot with the Red Epic camera.
The F65 is also used on the half-hour comedy Save Me for NBC and one-hour drama Masters of Sex for Showtime, as well as Michael J. Fox’s half-hour comedy pilot for NBC. All three are also posted in 4K at Sony Pictures’ post facility Colorworks, which is based on its Culver City lot.


To grow its 4K library, Sony has additionally started to remaster Breaking Bad, a film-based series, in the higher-resolution format. Plans are for additional titles to follow.
Squyres noted that a reason to consider 4K post for new projects is that “remastering costs twice as much, because you are doing the work twice.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-pictures-television-will-shoot-422464

The next Trek TV series will be shot in 4k. It's the wise business decision for legacy archival.

Bill Baggelaar is the senior vice president of technology at Colorworks.

“Production should shoot and finish in 4K… to have an asset they can store that has long-term viability,” he said. “Even if you’re not going to produce in 4K today, you can shoot in 4K and produce in 4K down the road.”

Baggelaar said 4K was a consideration from the outset when Colorworks started finishing TV shows because the 4K workflow was in place for doing theatricals. However, the primary deliverable for TV is HD, he said.

“We didn’t want to jeopardize the HD product by producing in 4K,” he said. “We’re able to look at HD, produce in HD, but we’re looking at 4K in the background.”

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/hpa--the-case-for-ktv-production/217847

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Netflix announces intentions of 4k resolution streaming of a series.

we expect to be delivering 4K within a year or two with at least some movies and then over time become an important source of 4K. 4K will likely be streamed first before it goes anywhere else. To that point, our own original House of Cards was shot in 4K. It's being mastered in full HD, but the raw footage, or a good chunk of it, was shot in 4K, and we hope to have some House of Cards 4K encodes later this year.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/3/1...hunt-expect-4k-streaming-within-a-year-or-two

That is by 2015. Further reason why Trek will shoot and master in 4k for futureproofing.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?

 

[jefferiestubes8]

stereoscopic 3-D for TV series

still a possibility but based on BBC's 2-year 3-D pilot program including making a Doctor Who anniversary episode in 3-D to be broadcast and shown in cinemas on November 23, 2013.

Kim Shillinglaw, the BBC’s head of 3D, has admitted that the technology has not taken off with the British public and said that the Corporation will take a three-year break from developing 3D programming at the end of this year.

that would be the end of 2016. By then we'll have a new Avatar sequel and who knows maybe 3-D will continue but more than a pilot (possibly screened in cinemas as an event) for the next Trek series in 3-D sounds unlikely.

the news is another blow for the format, following the announced closure of ESPN's 3D channel.

source

 

[jefferiestubes8]

UHD 8k in 2020 - Trek before 2018?

It is 2013 and we have new TV series currently shot and mastered in Ultra HD 4k.

from 2 articles this week:
Here is Japan making test programming in UHD 8k Super Hi-Vision (SHV).

The TV of the Future is Already in Japan and It Feels Like Real Life

Its name is The Chorus, a choral drama filmed with a still camera that looks into a Wes Andersonian building cutout.

so incredibly realistic that it feels like you’re looking through a window into real life

8k technology in Japan:

full implantation expected by 2020

Introducing 8K: The Final Frontier?

8K (Super Hi-Vision) should truly come into its own in sports coverage. In a sport such as football (soccer), for example, it is possible to view the whole pitch at once and follow the motion of the ball and every player clearly.

While a sci-fi drama doesn't need this type of super realism it does lead to say in 10-15 years when this tech fully hits mainstream will a scifi drama like Star Trek be shot edited and accepted differently? I think the editing pace would be MUCH slower for a larger screen and higher resolution. You can let a wide scene play longer. The whole idea of more resolution (8k) means people would have wall-sized screens at home and not 32" televisions.

Now we can enjoy a show like TNG or VOY on a 13" color tv in standard definition.
TNG's remastered treatment to 1080p HD allows for more details and sharp image adding to that realistic feel. Would 8k futureproof the next Star Trek?

I think the next series to be shot will be mastered in 4k and shot and edited traditionally like VOY and ENT but with digital 4k cameras. Even if a series started shooting in 2017 I am unsure if the tech will be ready to shoot in 8k to futureproof Trek for the next 50 years.

 

[AviTrek]

Re: UHD 8k in 2020 - Trek before 2018?

As much as I think discussion about 4k content is really nothing but spec-porn(especially for over compressed online streams), in the interest of full disclosure, it looks like Amazon is moving ahead with 4k for its new original programming.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20131216005725/en/Amazon-Studios-Shoot-2014-Original-Drama-Comedy

 

[Hober Mallow]

As much as I think discussion about 4k content is really nothing but spec-porn(especially for over compressed online streams), in the interest of full disclosure, it looks like Amazon is moving ahead with 4k for its new original programming.

Sorry, I just saw "4k" and "porn" and tuned out everything else...

 

[jefferiestubes8]

The next Star Trek tv series will be mixed at a minimum in 7.1 surround sound like all the Trek TV series released on Blu-ray.

I think futureproofing will be mixing it in Dolby Home Atmos 7.1.4.

That’s seven speakers on stands at ear level, one subwoofer, and four overhead speakers on the ceiling. For immersiveness and directionality of sound.

The recommended minimum layout of 7.1.4, but Atmos is capable of scaling up to more speakers if you install them (or down to less as well).

The Blu-ray version of Atmos can support up to 24.1.10 discrete speakers. Consumers will not see anything beyond 7.1.4 for another 10 years.
Tests are being done now to standardize on 7.1.4 .

Dolby Home Atmos hardware available Q4 2014.


Atmos titles on Blu-ray are coming, but specific titles and release dates are not ready to be announced yet. Additionally, some streaming platforms (again, not yet announced) will support Atmos via the lossy Dolby Digital Plus codec.

Some quotes here from:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/dolby-atmos-home-demo/

 

[jefferiestubes8]

UHD or 6k?

House of Cards season 3 for Netflix is not only being shot in 6k resolution but being finished and mastered in 6k as an archive master. This is much higher than the next TV spec 4K Ultra high definition television (UHD).
Trek TV has CGI requirements for all episodes. I can see them shooting in 4K UHD or 6k if they use new cameras.
I think that if the next Trek TV series happens in the next 2-3 years that they will render all CGI in 1080p for broadcast if it airs on a linear HDTV channel to make deadlines and lower cost and before the 4k Blu-ray/season download is released the following year they will complete all CGI renders in 4k UHD resolution of 3840×2160 pixels and deliver a 4K UHD master. Maybe they will just pay to do it at 4K UHD from the start to futureproof the next Trek TV series?
For a ROI it is too costly to deliver CGI for a Trek TV series at higher than 4k.

 

[RAMA]

Re: UHD or 6k?

I definitely see 4k in the Trek future, there's a noticeable difference from 1080p, but 4k to 8k? Not sure if we start to lose the benefits there..unless you want to watch tv on a billboard outside.

3D as it is may not be a futureproofing necessity.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

 

[BillJ]

Netflix doesn't stream at blu-ray quality at the moment. I think for a lot of people the appeal of HDTV was a bigger screen. I know people who have HD and still watch SD channels stretched because they don't even realize it. And google "3D is dead".

Shooting in 4K might not be a bad idea depending on the costs but I'm not sure the public will be banging down the doors for these just yet. I don't see any harm in reasonable future-proofing but I don't know that they need to go too far. Ironically, the best future-proofing might be to shoot on film with practical effects.

There might be more than tech though, BBC America is showing nine(!) reruns of TNG today, why not the later series with HD and newer FX?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

There is very little "4K" content on Netflix. While it is pretty, it is still susceptible to bandwidth issues just like the rest of their material.

I have a 4K TV and it is pretty. But I'd still rather have a Blu-ray disc playing at 1080p than a 4K stream.

 

[Kimi3013]

Welcome to two years ago people, necromancy happened here :P.

 

[Starborn Dragon]

I really don't want realistic TV. That's why I quit watching it in the first place. Too many damned reality shows trying to be realistic.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

The only problem with a CGI series is, the cost would be outrageous, better to do animated.

If this guy can do a CGI show like this on his own time and dime and with DAZ Studio, then CBS Studios can do a CGI animated series for Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Netflix, Amazon TV, Sony's Play Station TV set-up, etc. Heck, we've got the new Star Wars show, Rebels, to show how it can be done.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

camera maker Red announced this week that Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 will be the first feature to use its Weapon camera outfitted with its new 8K Red Dragon sensor.

SOURCE

With both 4K and 8K representing more pixels than HD, it's been argued that there's no viable business model to support production in either format — particularly 8K. Still, we are starting to see the seeds of 8K at the high end.

Hence this thread being 'futureproofing'. I now can see Trek shooting in at least 5k or 6k just for reframing shots for a 4k UHD broadcast and 4k UHD blu-ray physical release of seasons. Shooting in 8K for a TV series though... Is Star Trek TV series considered high end for longevity in the intellectual property as futureproofing it?

 

[dahj]

They should skip all this TV nonsense and go straight to holodeck.