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Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater?

Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.

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Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.
 
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
I was tempted to walk out when Chekov failed to disengage the external inertial dampeners. The REAL Chekov never would have been so incompetent. :klingon:

Canon used to stand for something. Next thing you know, they're gonna start making Star Trek movies about missions to find God at the center of the galaxy and whatnot. :rolleyes:
 
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J.J. Abrams's explanation to Aint It Cool News:

"If that's the thing that's going to keep you from seeing the movie, great! Enjoy your reruns!"

But... But... Teh HATE and gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing and childhood raping and all that noise...
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.
I was tempted to walk out when Chekov failed to disengage the external inertial dampeners. The REAL Chekov never would have been so incompetent. :klingon:

Canon used to stand for something. Next thing you know, they're gonna start making Star Trek movies about missions to find God at the center of the galaxy and whatnot. :rolleyes:

Not Chekov, Sulu. Nu-Sulu, anyway. Would that make him Nulu?
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

JJ Abrams, praised be his name, is making the right choice.
Trek has always been VERILY flexible with physics. And now people are making a fuss about what looks like a fun scene???

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Nice one, Treker... :lol:
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

His point is that the Enterprise going underwater is such an inconsequential thing to be upset over in comparison to the overall story, which you will get later on when the movie comes out. And yes, it's there to look cool. Don't you like that they're trying new things instead of just having the ship hang there like a lump in space?

I more interested in story and characters. I don't need to see the cool CGI effect of a starship rising out of water to get my jollies.

For example: Some people expressed confusion how the last act(s) of the Transformer movies were so maligned for being nothing by action and explosions but people rave about the last act of the Avengers movie when it was all action and explosions.

The difference is that in Avengers we knew who the characters were, we LIKED the characters and we were invested in them. In Transformers we've not nearly enough investment in the Transformers to know them or their personalities (or enough to distinguish them from the other lumps of metal in the movies) and the only human characters we have are Shia LeBouff and his stammering yelling and his out-of-his-league lip-parted hottie girlfirend standing there looking hot with her lips parted.

Very, very, different things. Avatar spent nearly all of its three hour running time setting up the situation and characters before taking us into a long, cool-looking, effects scene of the battle.

Sorry, I want something more out of a movie than "it looking cool." There was pretty much nothing in that Star Trek trailer to get me excited. Because there was nothing to it but random shots of cool-looking stuff. Fantastic. What's the STORY?! What's the movie going to be about? What is happening?! I need more than a scene of the Enterprise rising out of water to get excited about a movie.

And, no it's not convenient I didn't mention the NX-01 scenes because I simply do not remember them. It's been a very long time since I've watched Enterprise. I've probably not seen those scenes since the episode aired. If the ship is surviving great pressures in a gas-giant then, yes, that IS stupid given the time-period and lack of shield. But, keep in mind, Berman and Braga where hardly known for keeping things consistent during Voyager and Enterprise when it came to things like that. (How many shuttles does Voyager have, now? Torpedoes? Why does the holodeck have an independent power system? (Oh! So we can use it but not need to worry about conserving power for critical systems to get us home. I mean we don't want to prevent ourselves from doing holodeck episdoes!)

I had hope that, on some level, Abrams "got" Trek and knew that it was never about effects and visuals but about telling stories. Having characters be interesting and dealing with present-day issues in a futuristic setting. Look at TWK and TUC both movies that are often lauded and both are movies that hardly relied on effects and action scenes to do their good work as they're movies driven by character and story. And, yes, both relied on effects during the climatic endings but only after story and setting up a situation. Not because of just the hell of it.

I'm not going to excited over a trailer showing me cool-looking visuals. (Oh! Kirk falling over a ledge and holding on by his
fingertips. I've NEVER seen that before!* (*=Since 2009)

Oh! The Enterprise rising slowly out of a non-space environment! How cool! I've not seen that before!* (*=Since 2009)

Oh! Cool! An enemy who wants vengeance on Earth for mysterious reasons! How unique!* (*=Ignoring, ST=2009, Star Trek Nemesis.)

I had just hoped for more out of this movie after 2009. Which I DID like. But, really, right now it looks like it's not going to be too vastly different but granting I've not much at all to go on. I'll still see it, and I've not nearly the number of problems with 2009 as others do. It's flawed but I can accept it as its own thing that has no impact on the Trek I know and love, but I just wanted, I dunno, more than neat-looking visuals.

Decaf...
 
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.


This place needs a "like" button! :guffaw:
 
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Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.

Dude, you can see the Galaxy-class saucer on the surface of Mars in "Parallels"
 
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Even Hermann Zimmerman said in one of the DVD set extras that he took an Ent-D model kit entirely (included the frames of the kit), paint-brushed it and voilà that was Utopia Planitia!
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

The thing that's funny is that Trekkies have, for 46 years, been suspending disbelief in a massive, unconventionally designed starship traveling through the galaxy at faster-than-light warp speed, shooting phaser (better than laser!) beams and photon (eh??) torpedoes at klingon warriors, omnipotent beings, cyborgs, space amoebas, and Spock's Brain. They use a transporter to beam their energy patterns down to planets. They generate gravity with a graviton generator (and magic deck plates). They use nadions and cadions and baryons and chronitons (what??) and whatsitons and TRONitons to open/close subspace/wormhole/singularity/rift/void/eddy/fissure/scaryfrakkingholes in space, and the aliens all have 2 legs, 2 arms, and funny nose/forehead/neck ridges and weird ears. (I know, tholians... but they are an exception, not a rule lol).

We've seen ships fly so close to a star they should be burned to a crisp in a microsecond or crushed in the atmosphere of a gas giant. We've seen a starship land, we've seen it fly through fluidic space (waht??), and we've seen them go underwater. We've seen them use transwarp conduits and quantum singularities/slipstreams to travel hundreds of lightyears in minutes. We've even seen someone occupy every place in the universe at once before de-evolving and mating with the captain (ewww).

Its only because this is "Abrams and his bastardized Trek" that people are coming down so hard and being so inflexible that any explanation (which should not really be needed if it serves story or adds to the uniqueness of Star Trek, particularly in light of the above) is automatically too outlandish, or somehow an affront to Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek, and the Q Continuum. I agree with Abrams 100%. Enjoy the reruns. I'm happy for Star Trek to keep going boldly.
 
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If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.

Priceless!:guffaw:
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.

StarshipEnvironments.png

Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.

No, the half completed spaceframes in Relativity would be proof that some of the Galaxy Class ships were built in space, not all. Nor was I arguing that they were all built in the ground facility, just that at least one (which is plain as day a Galaxy Class starship in the picture) was. Nor do I particularly care, as once again, the thrust of my point was simply that starships are designed for and can survive a wide variety of environments and conditions (some equivalent to or more extreme than what is shown in STID), so the fact that one can take a dip in the shallow end of an ocean shouldn't be all that bothersome.
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.

You forgot "Lower the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. Obviously it's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
 
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Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.

You forgot "Extend the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. It's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
And it's handy to have in case the captain feels the need to keel-haul an errant crewmember.
 
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:lol: Oh boy, here we go now.. In addition to the above, lets back-track a bit and set the scene more fully; [EM]

Exterior - Enterprise slowly descends vertical from the out of the sky... Interior - bosun whistle sounds over Intra-ship: Attention all hands, set the Sea and Anchor Detail...

If they don't shut down warp and impulse drives, vent the warp plasma, put the inertial dampeners to full power, send emergency buoyancy aids to the transporter rooms, activate the subaqueous thrusters, extend the stern propeller, unload the torpedo bays and put the phasers offline, I'm walking out of the cinema.

You forgot "Lower the keel".

The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. Obviously it's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.

"Set Out-Riggers."

cut to exterior Enterprise as it hovers over the water - nacelle struts pivot downward till nacelles are almost even with main engineering bottom creating three-point flotation. Ship settles on surface...
 
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Erm... is this going to be this film's version of the Blue Warp Nacelles thread? ;)
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

I hope they don't explain it.
It's a starship!
Are people really thinking the Enterprise can't do this?

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First off...,
I am never gonna be able to listen to the... 'Fat Lady Sing' ...again, without getting this image in my head... :guffaw:



Secondly,
I think it's a riot that this particular thread, seems to be the hottest topic about the new movie around here. :vulcan:
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.

I don't think they need an explanation. It's implicit in the existing capabilities of the ship, when you think about it.

I mean, a starship by definition has to be airtight. So they should already be able to keep the water out.

And a starship capable of faster-than-light travel -- or even just a-significant-percentage-of-lightspeed travel -- must by definition have the technology capable of overcoming g-forces (they're called "inertial dampeners" in ST). So they should already be able to counter-act water pressure.

And we know from ST09 that starships are capable of ascending from a planetary surface into orbit. So they're already capable of lift-off and atmospheric flight.

Given these three things, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise would be able to descend into an ocean if necessary.
 
Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

Hi I have a quick question. I am really exited for star trek into darkness but one thing that bothers me is how ther enterprise can go underwater. I would be okay with it if they give a good explanation. So I was just wondering if anyone thinks that they will give an explanation in the new move. I dont even care if its some new type of sheild technology I just hope they explain it.

I don't think they need an explanation. It's implicit in the existing capabilities of the ship, when you think about it.

I mean, a starship by definition has to be airtight. So they should already be able to keep the water out.

And a starship capable of faster-than-light travel -- or even just a-significant-percentage-of-lightspeed travel -- must by definition have the technology capable of overcoming g-forces (they're called "inertial dampeners" in ST). So they should already be able to counter-act water pressure.

And we know from ST09 that starships are capable of ascending from a planetary surface into orbit. So they're already capable of lift-off and atmospheric flight.

Given these three things, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise would be able to descend into an ocean if necessary.
You left out the Space Amoeba.
 
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