4x3 is backwards...
Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread
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4x3 is backwards...
Popped in "The Royale" last night. Data at the tables still gets me to this day. I also love the scene where Worf picks up the phone and says they're asking if we want "room service."
Riker: Tell them 'no.'
Worf: NO!
Another good one:
Texas: Son do you know the odds on a 5 card Charlie!?
Data: *looks at Texas, then at dealer* .... Hit me.
Edit: Also, and not to start up the whole vfx talk again, but the shot of the ship orbiting the planet, which is reused about 3 or 4 times in this episode, is one of the best examples of the crappy HTV job, especially when compared to the CBS version from EAF in S1. The colors are way overbright, soft, and it looks like the compositing was mushed together in low res.
Riker: Tell them 'no.'
Worf: NO!
Another good one:
Texas: Son do you know the odds on a 5 card Charlie!?
Data: *looks at Texas, then at dealer* .... Hit me.
Edit: Also, and not to start up the whole vfx talk again, but the shot of the ship orbiting the planet, which is reused about 3 or 4 times in this episode, is one of the best examples of the crappy HTV job, especially when compared to the CBS version from EAF in S1. The colors are way overbright, soft, and it looks like the compositing was mushed together in low res.
If I would zoom the picture, I would chose a compromise: zoom it, so the overscan area of the 4:3 picture top/bottom (that was not usually seen on old TV sets) is hidden and the black bars left/right are reduced by 50%. This way the picture fills more of the screen without actually losing important image information and distorting the image:
You should watch TNG on BBC America, thats exactly what they do.
The credits get slightly cutoff on the bottom.
I'm not offended. Annoyed would be a better word. Besides they fact that people like BrEnDoN don't seem to respect the artisitic integrity of the original work, I'm actually more troubled that networks and home entertainment companies are listening more and more to people who say "to hell with the original aspect ratio, I just want my screen filled".
Borjis, illustrated my point brilliantly. BBC America is cutting up the image to satisfy viewers who are completely ignorant of aspect ratio's and other technical aspects of film and television making. And this is happening more and more, mostly on television but also on DVD and Blu Ray. I'm glad that most new television nowadays is shot in widescreen. That doesn't mean I want to see my old favorites mistreated in this way.
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Not if that's the way it was originally shot.
Cropping a 4:3 picture to conform to 16:9 today is no different than cropping a 16:9 picture to conform to a 4:3 television set back in the day. In both cases you are losing picture information.
Or in some cases distorting picture information. Why does the picture need to "fill the screen" can't we all just be happy with OAR? There's several times I've watched a movie with my parents and the movie isn't i a 16:9 one so you get the matting on the TV and they wonder the picture doesn't "fill the screen." No, because it's a movie that was filmed in a 2:1 aspect ratio so it's not going to "fill the screen."
I can understand wanting a P&S version of movies when we were watching VHS tapes on a 27# 4:3" TV, you'd get a very tiny picture. But things are much different today.
Keep it OAR. It's the way you're meant to view it.
Because TV stations or DVD/BluRay editors might go for THAT opinion, because its cheaper or just "looks better" on the first sight, since their precious flatscreen is filled, so those who really care for the original look of a show/film dont have the option to watch it this way or have to pay even more, since they have to go for a special edition/TV plan.
"Why make it high quality if we can make it low quality and cheaper and sell even more, because people dont care for the high quality."
And I am pretty sure that HTV released the special effect shots in that quality, because they were pretty sure: "No one will notice anyway, if we do the effects quick and cheap. And the small rest, who actually does notice: F*ck them. They are the minority and play no role for the sales."
Agreed. Zooming a 4:3 picture is pretty much going back to the days of pan&scan/zoomed VHS tapes of the 80s and 90s.
And you can see, why it was so popular: Not because it was right for the most customers, just because it "feels right" for the most customers.
Watched "A Matter of Honor" for the first time in a while, and never noticed before just how little we actually see of the Klingon ship. Basically just the bridge, a hallway, and the mess hall. Somehow it always seemed like a lot more than that.
As for the effects, they looked fine. Some of the stock Enterprise shots were a bit too bright, but thankfully everything featuring the Bird of Prey looked good.
As for the effects, they looked fine. Some of the stock Enterprise shots were a bit too bright, but thankfully everything featuring the Bird of Prey looked good.
"A Matter of Honor" was the last ep of the season 2 set I watched. It actually held up better than I remembered and I'll agree that the shots of the Klingon BOP were quite nice to look at. Ensign Mendon's makeup was also a treat in HD.
All in all a very satisfying episode.
I have come to the conclusion that I never need to watch "The Outrageous Okona" again, and I think it may have just officially replaced "Shades of Gray" as my least favorite TNG episode.
All in all a very satisfying episode.
I have come to the conclusion that I never need to watch "The Outrageous Okona" again, and I think it may have just officially replaced "Shades of Gray" as my least favorite TNG episode.
Do you know what the artists original intent was? To make a show for us to enjoy. Let us enjoy it however way we want.
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US-Americans have to be (regularly) remembered that the world is a little bigger than the one they know, and English is not the one and only existing communication form.
Yes, but it's possible for the selection to be 'remembered'. That's what they're annoyed with.
I'm watching TNG on a PS3 and not only does it remember my language and subtitle choices, but it also remembers where I was last time and starts playing where I left off, even when I've removed the disc from the player. So this is not an issue with the discs, but with certain BD players.
I watch it with a PS3 too, and sometimes it remembers where I left off, other times I have to select a language and go through the usual process. So it's less to do with the player and more to do with discs forcing you to pick a language each. and. every. time. you load the disc. Sure, sometimes the player may remember, sometimes it won't. I really don't know what the criteria is on that. And, really, it's absurd to force someone to pick a language every time they run the disc.
I enjoy ST:TNG Blu-rays in "shoebox format". I put a carboard shoebox over my head and hit play...I only see about 3% of the picture. Don't judge me!
I also enjoy "mailbox format" and "safety deposit box format"...
I also hope they make "Casablanca" in widescreen, and maybe add color to it to! And some CGI...
I also enjoy "mailbox format" and "safety deposit box format"...
I also hope they make "Casablanca" in widescreen, and maybe add color to it to! And some CGI...
High Def Digest has reviewed season 2:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5231/startrek_tng_s2.html
Unlike Blu-ray.com's review, they spotted the overuse of DNR and lousy visual effects. Video: 3.5/5
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5231/startrek_tng_s2.html
Unlike Blu-ray.com's review, they spotted the overuse of DNR and lousy visual effects. Video: 3.5/5
Thanks, I needed a good laugh! 
Reviewer also seems to take issue with those who watch with a finger on the pause button.
I'm not sure what to think of it as I have yet to see it. Ordered it online from Best Buy on Dec. 4. It was supposed to have arrived by Dec. 10. As of Dec. 12 it had not arrived. Thanks for not having it in-store on release day, followed up by lousy shipping, "Best" Buy.
Well, at least we no longer have to deal with movies being released in full screen and wide screen versions anymore.
Always bothered me when I saw someone's DVD collection and it was all "full frame" versions of movies, even before most people had widescreen TVs. I knew once they did they'd be SOL.
At least for TNG they kept the OAR. So we can enjoy it as it was meant to be seen, and the uninformed can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own living rooms.
Really? It's certainly no high point, but I can still think of at least a dozen episodes that are harder to sit through than Okona (Masks, Code of Honor, Night Terrors, Angel One...)
I'm perfectly 'informed', thank you. I just have a different preference and I'm glad I can choose which way I want to watch it...
