How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ No one here is being a "fan" of evil. Get over it.

Just because you might dress up as a character you see in a movie, or even kind of 'root' for them, doesn't mean you are completely in favor of what they represent or that you are part of the "real life" group they are modelled on. You don't seriously think that Sopranos fans are all mobsters, do you?

 

[Shazam!]

I was watching a documentary about the warcrimes and atrocities of the regular (that is, non SS) divisions of the Wehrmacht in World War II and it just hit me. These are the same type of people that would have made up the Imperial Army in the Star Wars universe. Fanatical, genocidal fascists who enslaved entire worlds, destroyed entire races at the command of their evil Sith Emperor.

The Nazi version of Stormtroopers (the SS) were the worst of the whole evil organization. They were responsible for, among other atrocities, the operation of the death camps.

So why would any person with a functioning soul want to be a fan of the Star Wars universe equivalent? The organized SW Imperial fandom, the 501st, explicitly takes it's name from the most infamous of all stormtrooper divisions, being the one that prosecuted the genocide against the Jedi.

It makes me sick in the heart now to see stormtrooper fans parading around in their SW Nazi uniforms and acting like there's nothing wrong with it.

In real life, if someone wanted to start a fanclub for the
SS-Totenkopfverbände (the "Death's Head" Division, responsible for carrying out the Final Solution), we'd call them at best ignorant.

Next time you see one of these fools at a con, ask them if they really understand the statement they are making by parading around as Space Nazis.

Could everyone please present their face so that I may palm it?

 

[od0_ital]

The Empire is evil.

I hear the Empire was part of the George W Bush's original speech when describin' the Axis of Evil...yep, it was gonna be Iraq, Iran, North Korea & the Empire.

That the Empire has been ignored as a serious threat to the safety & security of this great nation since 1977 is a travesty and we should do something about it!

 

[Ian Keldon]

^ No one here is being a "fan" of evil. Get over it.

Just because you might dress up as a character you see in a movie, or even kind of 'root' for them, doesn't mean you are completely in favor of what they represent or that you are part of the "real life" group they are modeled on. You don't seriously think that Sopranos fans are all mobsters, do you?

I don't think the Sopranos should have ever been made, now that you mention it. It was an attempt to "humanize" the American Mob.

 

[Sindatur]

I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.

So, not even an attempt to answer how dressing up as Storm Troopers at a Con is any different then Dressing up as Darth Vader or the Genocidal characters/races in Star Trek or Doctor Who?

 

[SG-17]

I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.

So, not even an attempt to answer how dressing up as Storm Troopers at a Con is any different then Dressing up as Darth Vader or the Genocidal characters/races in Star Trek or Doctor Who?

Like the Doctor himself for one.

 

[cooleddie74]

I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI[/yt]

 

[JoeZhang]

The stormtroopers have cool outfits, just like the Nazis. If you want people to be fans of the good guys, give them better uniforms.

The Nazis were the best dressed group of people in history.

Hugo Boss was the boss.

Indeed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJUocaDYw0&feature=related

 

[Gepard]

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

You do know that he movie's 501st division was a shout-out the real fan group The Fightin' 501st - a costumed charity group that, amongst other things, visits sick kids in the hospital - right? The fan group came first; having the fictional version go kill a bunch of kids was a joke on Lucas's part.

None of this is meant to be analyzed as seriously as you're taking it. It's just a movie.

 

[the G-man]

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.

I can't wait for this Halloween when some poor little kid shows up at your door dressed as the Joker, Lord Voldemort or some other fictional evil character and you give the child a ten minute lecture on being devoid of a functioning conscience.

 

[sidious618]

^ No one here is being a "fan" of evil. Get over it.

Just because you might dress up as a character you see in a movie, or even kind of 'root' for them, doesn't mean you are completely in favor of what they represent or that you are part of the "real life" group they are modeled on. You don't seriously think that Sopranos fans are all mobsters, do you?

I don't think the Sopranos should have ever been made, now that you mention it. It was an attempt to "humanize" the American Mob.

Have you ever seen the show? Clearly not because that was far, far from the point of it? That's such a massive misreading of the show that I actually LOLed.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Humanize" organized crime?!

I hope you've never seen or claim to like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. A film about the lives of two notorious outlaws from the closing years of the Old West? Paul Newman and Robert Redford should have been absolutely ashamed of themselves for taking those roles. What were they thinking? They obviously gave tacit support to armed robbery.

 

[SeerSGB]

I am simply amazed (and not in a good way) how cavalier you all are being. Lucas explicitly modeled the Imperial Forces after a cartoonized version of Nazism.

The 501st in the SW universe was the spearhead division in Palpatine/Sidious' Final Solution to the Jedi.

"It's just fiction" is no excuse. The Empire is evil. People with functioning consciences are not fans of evil.

So, not even an attempt to answer how dressing up as Storm Troopers at a Con is any different then Dressing up as Darth Vader or the Genocidal characters/races in Star Trek or Doctor Who?

Like the Doctor himself for one.

Or Sisko, or Picard, Or Janeway, or Kirk. How about dressing up as a Klingon or a Romulan or a Borg?

Oh my <please insert divine figure on your choice>...every cosplayer on the planet worships evil!

 

[Avon]

The Borg could be seen to represent communism. Therefore anyone who dresses as one for a convention are communist agents.

 

[Shazam!]

They dress up as Han Solo and Luke Skywalker pretending to be Stormtroopers. How about that?

There was a deleted scene with Han and Luke breaking down into tears at what they had done. They felt... dirty after having worn the uniform of Imperial Space Nazis (tm).

 

[cooleddie74]

The Visitors in the original 1983-85 incarnation of V were modeled on the Nazis. They even had a symbol on their craft and uniforms that was a modified swastika.

Jane Badler: racist and anti-Semite.

 

[SeerSGB]

They dress up as Han Solo and Luke Skywalker pretending to be Stormtroopers. How about that?

There was a deleted scene with Han and Luke breaking down into tears at what they had done. They felt... dirty after having worn the uniform of Imperial Space Nazis (tm).

Star Wars: The Spielberg Edition. Now with 20% less guns and 40% more walkie-talkies.

The Visitors in the original 1983-85 incarnation of V were modeled on the Nazis. They even had a symbol on their craft and uniforms that was a modified swastika.

Jane Badler: racist and anti-Semite.

Oh shit....Kirk and Spock dressed up as Nazis in "pattern of force" and gangsters in "Piece Of the Action" and then as Christian Slaves in "Breat in Circus". Don't you get it? Gene Roddenberry supports Mobster Christian Nazis...FROM SPACE*! Trek is ruined forever

* Capping that one, that one's mine

 

[datagal]

I'm going back to reality now. Have fun people.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Some people think that people who dress up as witches etc. on Halloween glorify devil worship.

 

[Sindatur]

I'm going back to reality now. Have fun people.

Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle SciFi/Fantasy