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7X02 Dinosaurs On A Spaceship (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Grade "Dinosaurs On A Spaceship"

  • Geronimo!

    Votes: 54 38.0%
  • Good

    Votes: 56 39.4%
  • Average

    Votes: 21 14.8%
  • Bad

    Votes: 6 4.2%
  • Dinosaurs couldn't even save this episode

    Votes: 5 3.5%

  • Total voters
    142
I think almost every Series/Season has an episode or two that caters specifically to Kids:
The Farting Slitheen
Fear Her, Love And Monsters (Despite the Sex Joke)
Partners in Crime
The Curse of the Black Spot, Night Terrors
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship

And I may have forgotten a childish episode or two. It is their show, afterall, so, I am grateful for really good episodes we do get, and truth be told, of the episodes I have listted as being childish, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is my favorite of the group

I agree with this, although I found "Partners in Crime", "Curse of the Black Spot", and "Night Terrors" a bit more enjoyable than "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship". Beyond muddying the Silurian background even further, the latter episode got my inner child all excited over the idea of dinosaurs ... on a spaceship! But the final delivery was so chock full of disappointing action without thought that the let-down hit doubly hard. This was one of the few episodes of Doctor Who since the relaunch that I was actually bored with. And that's a shame because between Rory's dad and dinosaurs ... on a spaceship, this episode really had great elements.

I loved "Asylum", disliked this, and hope the rest of the season/series is more fun.
 
I am disappointed in the appearance of the dinosaurs. The artistic department could have done more to bring the dinosaurs into line with current thinking. Like the T. Rex. The juvenile would have feathers, like a young bird. Instead, the dinosaurs seemed incomplete to me.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/how-t-rex-really-looked-like-8q4

I did like that they portrayed the Triceratops as having some modicum of intelligence, and that it wasn't some dumb beast. I felt the Doctor's sadness when the robots killed the animal.

I liked how the actor, who played the Doctor, was able to express his horror at Solomon's injury. His expression conveyed the seriousness and ugliness of the wound.

Some of the lines were illegible to me. I fault the sound mixers for that.

Overall, for me, the show had uneven pacing, and the dinosaurs, which was the gimmick for this show, were disappointing. I rated average.

Although I have questions that were raised by the weak script, I do have what I think is a more important question - was Brian a companion? I know that he traveled with the Doctor to Siluria.
 
I just wrote a very long, ranty post aimed at those people who seem to hate practically every episode, but I deleted it, because you know what? It doesn't matter. Nothing I say will change anyone's opinion. The people who continue to watch the show despite only liking a couple of episode a series, if that, who watch it not expecting to like it, won't stop doing this.

And the bonus is they'll continue adding to the viewing figures, thus ensuring the show stays around for a long time. Result :techman:

Maybe I just got deep? (and any fan of Coupling should now know exactly what image is running through my mind :lol: )
 
^Just to add, the post I deleted wasn't aimed at people who didn't like this episode, as Mark Kermode says "Other opinions are available" and I might not like A Town Called Mercy come Saturday. It's aimed purely at those people who only seem to like the show on (very) rare occasions.
 
What's the point of deleting a post and then advertising the fact you did it? What d'yer want, a medal for slightly late restraint? How about limiting yourself to talking about the show and not other posters altogether.
 
Happy to discuss the show with like minded individuals, you know, people who can look at it objectively, who have issues with it, who like some episodes better than others, but who on the whole like the damn show. Tired of trying to talk about it with people whose only intent is to slag it off because it doesn't fit their narrow vision of what Doctor Who should be.
 
^Just to add, the post I deleted wasn't aimed at people who didn't like this episode, as Mark Kermode says "Other opinions are available" and I might not like A Town Called Mercy come Saturday. It's aimed purely at those people who only seem to like the show on (very) rare occasions.
Yea, I'm not particularly interested in Westerns generally, so, I'm not going into A Town Called Mercy with high expectations, hoping to be pleasantly surprised, but, accepting if I don't enjoy it, it's possibly my taste that's lacking, rather than the show itself.
 
Happy to discuss the show with like minded individuals, you know, people who can look at it objectively, who have issues with it, who like some episodes better than others, but who on the whole like the damn show. Tired of trying to talk about it with people whose only intent is to slag it off because it doesn't fit their narrow vision of what Doctor Who should be.
Really? And who exactly posted saying "I didn't like it because it doesn't fit in with what I think Doctor Who should be"? Unless you object to people thinking it shouldn't be silly bollocks.
 
Happy to discuss the show with like minded individuals, you know, people who can look at it objectively, who have issues with it, who like some episodes better than others, but who on the whole like the damn show. Tired of trying to talk about it with people whose only intent is to slag it off because it doesn't fit their narrow vision of what Doctor Who should be.
Really? And who exactly posted saying "I didn't like it because it doesn't fit in with what I think Doctor Who should be"? Unless you object to people thinking it shouldn't be silly bollocks.

Hah! Well-put. Anyway, Starkers, am I to assume, then, that you believe that criticisms of this episode, the ones, for example, posted in this thread, suggest that the negative comments come from people who are "not objective" and have "too narrow" of a view of what Doctor Who should be? Are you suggesting there have not been any negative criticisms of this episode in this thread from a poster that seems, in your mind, to actually be "objective"? That all criticisms of the episode come from people who are going to hate it no matter what they put on? If so, I suggest you go back and read, for example, my criticisms (they're not far back), because they come from someone who, as a matter of fact, has an extremely open mind when it comes to what Doctor Who can and should be.

I have also disliked a vast majority of the episodes in the last 2 or 3 seasons - does that disqualify me, in your mind, from being able to objectivally critique the show? I believe that, having objectivally critiqued the show over the last 2 or 3 seasons, I have objectivally arrived at the conclusion that most of it is just not very good.

For the record, I have watched all the Doctor Who produced since 1963, and I have very much admired and enjoyed the vast majority of it. I love most of the surviving Hartnell and Troughton episodes. I adore the first season of Pertwee, but find most of the rest of his tenure "silly bollocks," to steal an eloquent phrase. I love just about all of Tom Baker's stuff, much of Peter Davison's stuff, can't stand Colin Baker's tenure, and liked about half of McCoy. Furthermore, the first 5 years of the Russell Davies years are mostly awesome. So, you can see, I have a very open and inclusive idea of what Doctor Who can and should be. It can be many different things and still be high quality. It can be educational and whimsical, like Hartnell, or pseudo-Gothic, like early Tom Baker, or slapstick comedy like later-Tom Baker, or violent sf like much of Davison, or more character-driven and emotional, like Davies' tenure. And, I am completely open to it becoming something totally new, something unexpected and unasked for, something I've never seen before, something that will surprise me and wow me and make me proud to be watching the most amazing science fiction show currently on television. I am in fact very excited for that to happen.

The last two years, though, when compared, in my mind, to the quality of the show over the last 5 decades, is unreasonably low, and it has something to do with a lot of it being silly bollocks. But again, just to let you know that I can be objective, I was completely taken aback and amazed by The Doctor's Wife - clearly the best episode of the whole Matt Smith tenure so far. I was utterly unsurprised that it won a very deserving Hugo award.
 
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The last two years, though, when compared, in my mind, to the quality of the show over the last 5 decades, is unreasonably low, and it has something to do with a lot of it being silly bollocks.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could enjoy the Graham Williams years of Doctor Who while claiming that the last couple of seasons were "silly bollocks". Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't, and it's fine either way I guess, but I can't imagine a frame of reference in which "The Horns of Nimon" or "The Pirate Planet" is seen as quality entertainment and "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" isn't.
 
The last two years, though, when compared, in my mind, to the quality of the show over the last 5 decades, is unreasonably low, and it has something to do with a lot of it being silly bollocks.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could enjoy the Graham Williams years of Doctor Who while claiming that the last couple of seasons were "silly bollocks". Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't, and it's fine either way I guess, but I can't imagine a frame of reference in which "The Horns of Nimon" or "The Pirate Planet" is seen as quality entertainment and "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" isn't.

"Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't"? What nonsense. Some light, fluffy, silly stories are excellent, and some or boring crap. The film Airplane is a masterpiece of light, fluffy, and silly entertainment, while the film Scary Movie is unwatchable crap. "Pirate Planet," while no masterpeice, is clever as hell, in that Douglas-Adams kind of way. "The Horns of Nimon," as you've implied, is awful. But, in general, the Williams era in Doctor Who had a definite vision, a vision shaped by the worldview of Douglas Adams - it constituted highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts being slapped around with mindless abandon and slapsticky shtick - very much like Hitchiker's Guide. Much of it doesn't quite reach the heights of Hitchhiker's (or City of Death, for that matter), but there was a definite artistic vision behind it, a mind at work. Behind Dinosaurs, all we find is cynicism. There is no artistic vision, or purpose. It's about itself, and nothing else. The only thing the episode has to say is, "Look how much fun we are." That's not content. At least Douglas Adams always had something to say beyond, "Look how funny I am."
 
Happy to discuss the show with like minded individuals, you know, people who can look at it objectively, who have issues with it, who like some episodes better than others, but who on the whole like the damn show. Tired of trying to talk about it with people whose only intent is to slag it off because it doesn't fit their narrow vision of what Doctor Who should be.
Really? And who exactly posted saying "I didn't like it because it doesn't fit in with what I think Doctor Who should be"? Unless you object to people thinking it shouldn't be silly bollocks.

Hah! Well-put. Anyway, Starkers, am I to assume, then, that you believe that criticisms of this episode, the ones, for example, posted in this thread, suggest that the negative comments come from people who are "not objective" and have "too narrow" of a view of what Doctor Who should be? Are you suggesting there have not been any negative criticisms of this episode in this thread from a poster that seems, in your mind, to actually be "objective"? That all criticisms of the episode come from people who are going to hate it no matter what they put on? If so, I suggest you go back and read, for example, my criticisms (they're not far back), because they come from someone who, as a matter of fact, has an extremely open mind when it comes to what Doctor Who can and should be.

I have also disliked a vast majority of the episodes in the last 2 or 3 seasons - does that disqualify me, in your mind, from being able to objectivally critique the show? I believe that, having objectivally critiqued the show over the last 2 or 3 seasons, I have objectivally arrived at the conclusion that most of it is just not very good.

For the record, I have watched all the Doctor Who produced since 1963, and I have very much admired and enjoyed the vast majority of it. I love most of the surviving Hartnell and Troughton episodes. I adore the first season of Pertwee, but find most of the rest of his tenure "silly bollocks," to steal an eloquent phrase. I love just about all of Tom Baker's stuff, much of Peter Davison's stuff, can't stand Colin Baker's tenure, and liked about half of McCoy. Furthermore, the first 5 years of the Russell Davies years are mostly awesome. So, you can see, I have a very open and inclusive idea of what Doctor Who can and should be. It can be many different things and still be high quality. It can be educational and whimsical, like Hartnell, or pseudo-Gothic, like early Tom Baker, or slapstick comedy like later-Tom Baker, or violent sf like much of Davison, or more character-driven and emotional, like Davies' tenure. And, I am completely open to it becoming something totally new, something unexpected and unasked for, something I've never seen before, something that will surprise me and wow me and make me proud to be watching the most amazing science fiction show currently on television. I am in fact very excited for that to happen.

The last two years, though, when compared, in my mind, to the quality of the show over the last 5 decades, is unreasonably low, and it has something to do with a lot of it being silly bollocks. But again, just to let you know that I can be objective, I was completely taken aback and amazed by The Doctor's Wife - clearly the best episode of the whole Matt Smith tenure so far. I was utterly unsurprised that it won a very deserving Hugo award.

A detailed response, although I'm with Mirrorball Man here. I mean, can you specify what's different about the 'silly bollocks' that Moffat's had to the 'silly bolocks' that was in a large proportion of RTD's tenure?

Moffat Who is far from perfect, but I'll tell you this, it hasn't yet made me want to scream and throw something at the telly like some of RTD's episodes did. (And I liked RTD's version of Who)
 
The last two years, though, when compared, in my mind, to the quality of the show over the last 5 decades, is unreasonably low, and it has something to do with a lot of it being silly bollocks.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could enjoy the Graham Williams years of Doctor Who while claiming that the last couple of seasons were "silly bollocks". Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't, and it's fine either way I guess, but I can't imagine a frame of reference in which "The Horns of Nimon" or "The Pirate Planet" is seen as quality entertainment and "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" isn't.

"Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't"? What nonsense. Some light, fluffy, silly stories are excellent, and some or boring crap. The film Airplane is a masterpiece of light, fluffy, and silly entertainment, while the film Scary Movie is unwatchable crap. "Pirate Planet," while no masterpeice, is clever as hell, in that Douglas-Adams kind of way. "The Horns of Nimon," as you've implied, is awful. But, in general, the Williams era in Doctor Who had a definite vision, a vision shaped by the worldview of Douglas Adams - it constituted highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts being slapped around with mindless abandon and slapsticky shtick - very much like Hitchiker's Guide. Much of it doesn't quite reach the heights of Hitchhiker's (or City of Death, for that matter), but there was a definite artistic vision behind it, a mind at work. Behind Dinosaurs, all we find is cynicism. There is no artistic vision, or purpose. It's about itself, and nothing else. The only thing the episode has to say is, "Look how much fun we are." That's not content. At least Douglas Adams always had something to say beyond, "Look how funny I am."

It's about itself and nothing else?

Odd that cos I have a sneaking suspicion things that happened in that episode are going to have ramifications so clearly what its about goes beyond itself.

And much as I love classic Who, I think you're bigging up what it was about and the 'artistic vision' behind it way too much, most of the time it was a bunch of people trying to tell a story to fill a timeslot, nothing more.
 
"Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't"? What nonsense. Some light, fluffy, silly stories are excellent, and some or boring crap. The film Airplane is a masterpiece of light, fluffy, and silly entertainment, while the film Scary Movie is unwatchable crap. "Pirate Planet," while no masterpeice, is clever as hell, in that Douglas-Adams kind of way. "The Horns of Nimon," as you've implied, is awful. But, in general, the Williams era in Doctor Who had a definite vision, a vision shaped by the worldview of Douglas Adams - it constituted highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts being slapped around with mindless abandon and slapsticky shtick - very much like Hitchiker's Guide. Much of it doesn't quite reach the heights of Hitchhiker's (or City of Death, for that matter), but there was a definite artistic vision behind it, a mind at work. Behind Dinosaurs, all we find is cynicism. There is no artistic vision, or purpose. It's about itself, and nothing else. The only thing the episode has to say is, "Look how much fun we are." That's not content. At least Douglas Adams always had something to say beyond, "Look how funny I am."
See, I think your point makes sense, and it's obviously that your opinions are consistent, but I can't quite agree with you here.

When I watch "The Pirate Planet", which isn't that bad, I don't see "highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts", and I certainly don't see a story that could be qualified as "clever as hell". I see a fun and entertaining panto, a silly story with stock characters and tired jokes, made by very enthusiastic people. There's nothing, absolutely nothing that makes me think "oh well, this is way more clever than "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship", or in fact, most Steven Moffat stories". Actually, I think it's very comparable to "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship", with the only difference being that the latter had a larger budget and some actors who take the whole thing seriously.

Whether one likes one better than the other is a matter of personal taste, but there's nothing objective there: those are two very comparable stories, which aim for the same kind of effect and achieve the same degree of success. Of course, "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" can't count on nostalgia to enhance the experience for some viewers. Not yet at least.
 
"Either you like light, fluffy, silly stories or you don't"? What nonsense. Some light, fluffy, silly stories are excellent, and some or boring crap. The film Airplane is a masterpiece of light, fluffy, and silly entertainment, while the film Scary Movie is unwatchable crap. "Pirate Planet," while no masterpeice, is clever as hell, in that Douglas-Adams kind of way. "The Horns of Nimon," as you've implied, is awful. But, in general, the Williams era in Doctor Who had a definite vision, a vision shaped by the worldview of Douglas Adams - it constituted highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts being slapped around with mindless abandon and slapsticky shtick - very much like Hitchiker's Guide. Much of it doesn't quite reach the heights of Hitchhiker's (or City of Death, for that matter), but there was a definite artistic vision behind it, a mind at work. Behind Dinosaurs, all we find is cynicism. There is no artistic vision, or purpose. It's about itself, and nothing else. The only thing the episode has to say is, "Look how much fun we are." That's not content. At least Douglas Adams always had something to say beyond, "Look how funny I am."
See, I think your point makes sense, and it's obviously that your opinions are consistent, but I can't quite agree with you here.

When I watch "The Pirate Planet", which isn't that bad, I don't see "highly complex and outlandish science fiction concepts", and I certainly don't see a story that could be qualified as "clever as hell". I see a fun and entertaining panto, a silly story with stock characters and tired jokes, made by very enthusiastic people. There's nothing, absolutely nothing that makes me think "oh well, this is way more clever than "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship", or in fact, most Steven Moffat stories". Actually, I think it's very comparable to "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship", with the only difference being that the latter had a larger budget and some actors who take the whole thing seriously.

Whether one likes one better than the other is a matter of personal taste, but there's nothing objective there: those are two very comparable stories, which aim for the same kind of effect and achieve the same degree of success. Of course, "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" can't count on nostalgia to enhance the experience for some viewers. Not yet at least.

I'm not sure I agree, MirrorBall. "The Pirate Planet" was about greed and the quest for eternal youth. And within that are all sorts of fun, incidental and original SF elements like the linear accelerator corridor which is ultimately used by the Doctor against his pursuers. Or the very idea of raiding a planet by materializing around it and stripping out all of its resources. I don't believe anyone in television had envisioned a mining operation on that scale previously.
 
Well I personally liked it. I thought it was a bit dark in places, but overall, I thought it was fun and I enjoyed it.
 
Or the very idea of raiding a planet by materializing around it and stripping out all of its resources. I don't believe anyone in television had envisioned a mining operation on that scale previously.

Or compressing the ravaged planets to near singularities and balancing their incredible masses to slow time around the queen's true aged body and thus suspending her impending death? (That was an awkward sentence.)

Yeah, the Pirate Captain may have appeared "panto", but that was for "show". We realize he's actually he's a highly skilled gravitational engineer with his own agenda.

That's some rather crafty stuff Adams wrote.

(A bit off topic, but for viewers of the series "Cheers", did the Pirate Captain remind anyone else of a bionic "Norm Peterson", George Wendt's popular character?)

Sincerely,

Bill
 
This thread has reminded me of some of the snobbery that bubbled up here when Trek09 was released. That too was mindless bollox compared to the 'cerebral' TOS. For some reason though I thought that Dr Who would be above that though, given the show's history and ability to tell absolutely any tale in any style.

Judged as meaningless juvenile crap by a professional art critic upthread, this was the only episode of Dr Who I've ever found controversial. They killed an animal in a family show watched by childrens in the millions. Can they do that? is it appropriate? But that one plot development alone makes it art.

Meaningless juvenile crap? Whatever.
 
Well I just watched it for a second time, and I have to admit...my opinion of it hasn't really changed much, still love it. I found the Mitchell and Webb bots slightly more annoying this time round, but that's really about it.
 
Being just a "bloody Yank", the "Mitchell and Webb" references were lost on me. I just thought they were meant to be comical in a Douglas Adams sense, like the assault robots Marvin encountered in the original radio series of Hitchhiker's Guide.

Thus, if Mitchell and Webb have any kind of "stigma" associated with them, I didn't catch it.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
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