Why didn't Val Kilmer return for Batman & Robin?
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Yeah, that is was what I remember. Also Nicholson is an avid art collector. He was aware of the earliest comics. He wanted the film to capture the mood and atmosphere of the late 30s, early 40s artwork.
I have no evidence of this, but I think the correct answer to the OPs question about why Kilmer didn't return is obviously because of Batnipples and Batcodpieces. It's the only logical conclusion. 
But Bruce Wayne's outward facade and public persona IS George Clooney, essentially. Dashing, wealthy playboy with some prominent public causes who never settles down. I'm not sure that George Clooney isn't right now out spending his nights fighting crime as a vigilante.
But Bruce Wayne's outward facade and public persona IS George Clooney, essentially. Dashing, wealthy playboy with some prominent public causes who never settles down. I'm not sure that George Clooney isn't right now out spending his nights fighting crime as a vigilante.
I have no evidence of this, but I think the correct answer to the OPs question about why Kilmer didn't return is obviously because of Batnipples and Batcodpieces. It's the only logical conclusion.
So George Clooney didn't mind those things when he read the script?
I have no evidence of this, but I think the correct answer to the OPs question about why Kilmer didn't return is obviously because of Batnipples and Batcodpieces. It's the only logical conclusion.
So George Clooney didn't mind those things when he read the script?
I don't think there's a mention of Batnipples in the script.
And then George Clooney wasn't the problem of that film. At all.
Good point! I believe they were already talking about something called BATMAN TRIUMPHANT with Jeff Goldblum as the Scarecrow . . . .
We really didn't need to see Schumacher ruin Year One too.
I know that Howard Stern was interested in the part but Schumacher wasn't interested in him. Too bad, Private Parts was terrific.
I think they were also interested in casting Madonna as Harley Quinn who would have been the Joker's daughter. They also wanted to bring Jack Nicholson back for Joker flashback scenes.
Those interested in the behind-the-scenes of Hollywood sci-fi should check out the book The Greatest Sci-Fi Movies Never Made by David Hughes. He does an entire chapter on The Island of Dr. Moreau.
According to Bill Goldman's Which Lie Did I Tell? the same thing happened on the set of The Ghost and the Darkness. At one point Michael Douglas takes Kilmer aside and says: "You want a career like Eric Roberts? You want a career like Mickey Rourke? You just keep it up then!"
Of course the anecdote isn't as biting since Rourke had his big comeback.
Of course the anecdote isn't as biting since Rourke had his big comeback.
I've read of a few theories
First was scheduling conflict. The Batman films are usually released at least 3 years a part, except for B&R. B&R was released 2 years after Batman Forever. Val Kilmer was unaware of the fast track production that the studio execs pushed for, and commited himself to the Saint.
Batman (1989)
Batman Returns (1992)
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman & Robin (1997) 2 yrs
Batman Begins (2005)
The Dark Knight (2008)
The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Also heard that Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher did not get along during Batman Forever. I remember hearing Joel said something like "I do not want to work with Val ever again, and I think the feeling is mutual." Val probably think he's lucky that he wasn't in B&R.
I think most of the problems of Batman & Robin came from executive meddling. Sequel rushed out the door and made to sell toys. It all reeks of profit maximization.
First was scheduling conflict. The Batman films are usually released at least 3 years a part, except for B&R. B&R was released 2 years after Batman Forever. Val Kilmer was unaware of the fast track production that the studio execs pushed for, and commited himself to the Saint.
Batman (1989)
Batman Returns (1992)
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman & Robin (1997) 2 yrs
Batman Begins (2005)
The Dark Knight (2008)
The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Also heard that Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher did not get along during Batman Forever. I remember hearing Joel said something like "I do not want to work with Val ever again, and I think the feeling is mutual." Val probably think he's lucky that he wasn't in B&R.
I think most of the problems of Batman & Robin came from executive meddling. Sequel rushed out the door and made to sell toys. It all reeks of profit maximization.
According to Bill Goldman's Which Lie Did I Tell? the same thing happened on the set of The Ghost and the Darkness. At one point Michael Douglas takes Kilmer aside and says: "You want a career like Eric Roberts? You want a career like Mickey Rourke? You just keep it up then!"
Of course the anecdote isn't as biting since Rourke had his big comeback.
And Rourke and Kilmer both were lucky enough to be given the odd juicy character role from Tony Scott during their outcast years.