Season ONE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[cbspock]

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Well I think everyone agrees that TOS had the best first season of any Trek.

But for my money Where No One, Big Goodbye, 11010011, Heart of Glory, and Conspiracy are still some of the best episodes of TNG that were ever made-- and up there with the best eps of Trek period.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. In addition, TNG effects work of 1987 are far better than the TOS work of 1966. TOS effects look amazing for their time and TNG effects look amazing for their time.

I have to seriously disagree. Even the effects producers will talk about how poor their work was in the first season. This wasn't because they didn't have talent (far from it, I mean look at Legato's career as just one example).

It was primarily due to two major factors, man power and not having the infrastructure in place to really do weekly effects.

Not that they couldn't produced some nice model work, but that the production was not designed to do weekly special effects. The plan was for ILM's stock shots to cover the vast majority of material.

They weren't staffed for it, nor did they have the facilities to do really strong work. Now of course they tell stories of working themselves do death the first season just to get anything on the screen. But you will see that Season two had vastly more polish and creativity in both design and actual lensing of fx.

And as each year happened the show increased the productions ability to work on a tv schedule. Compare (not the ILM footage as they did have the have a great set up designed for fx, obviously), the work done in the first season versus the 2nd and 3rd (pre 4 footer), and obviously it wasn't that they gained greater skill, but they gained more time (as the staff was enlarged), and they planned out more what was needed, and how best to work with the facilities they had.

Really can't wait for us to be able to see the various teams work and how it differs. For example, I love Legato's work, and find Curry's (motion control side) serviceable but not beautiful (Curry's non model work I actually like better). TO me something like comparing a Rob Bowman versus a Cliff Bole.

As for the quality of episodes, I know we disagree though the episodes mentioned are the ones I do like ( I rate them all as Very good in fact really the only episodes of the first season I would actually recommend), but I even my favorite of that bunch (usually 11001001), but I wouldn't call any of them great (but in fairness I don't through out high marks often, generally I think people are way to lenient on the writing and acting of popular entertainment.

They sort of mention that in the Stardate Revisited. They had ILM run some generic shots of Enterprise, since it sounded like there was no plan to do specialized effects work, or at least keep it to a minimum. One thing that always bugged me about TNG, The ENT-D always looked small, like a model There was never any sense of scale to it like with the original series where they were able to get up close to the model. I think the only shot where you get a sense of scale for ENT-D is the warp away at the end of the opening credits. I was never a big fan of the light up warp engines, it looked stupid to me. The TMP Enterprise only had slightly glowing engines at warp, in the inner grill work on the inboard sides.

Like I previously mentioned TNG hit its best patch of episodes with consistency was 3-5.



-Chris

 

[FrontierTrek]

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The 5th video in TrekCore's SD to HD video series is up ("The Last Outpost")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRv5DRgowE

 

[Jeyl]

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The changes to the sun debris in The Naked Now bummed me out horribly. It's no longer an ice cube of doom, but instead an extremely hot potato.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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I'm glad they finally got the old Enterprise right in "The Naked Now"!

 

[BillJ]

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I'm glad they finally got the old Enterprise right in "The Naked Now"!

 

[Start Wreck]

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^ Needs more lens flare.

 

[22 Stars]

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lol

 

[trekker670]

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I think it would have been hilarious if they had done that! Even if it was just for one of their promo clips as a joke.

 

[bullethead]

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You know, that picture is so exploitable:

 

[Salinga]

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^ Needs more lens flare.

Is that enough for you?

 

[Trekker4747]

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[gaghyogi49]

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Well, they might not have put the Abramsprise into "The naked now"-remastered, but here is a look at some of the other mistakes/bloopers that were fixed that not everybody might have noticed, yet. This includes visible camera/lighting equipment, visible studio ceilings, a previously visible flowerpot in the middle of a jungle and some other nice surprises. :-)

Here's the article at EAS:

Notable changes in TNG Remastered

 

[davejames]

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Notable changes in TNG Remastered

Wow, very cool. Didn't realize they had touched up so many little errors like that. Although to me the coolest is still the new holodeck shot in Farpoint. The new version just looks about a million times more real and believable than the static old one.

And is it just me, or does that look like a completely different woman in the HD shot of Haven vs the SD?

 

[Maxwell Everett]

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And is it just me, or does that look like a completely different woman in the HD shot of Haven vs the SD?

Same woman, just roughly four times the resolution.

 

[mswood]

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Don't see this mentioned. Per Homemediamagazine, Season one is the 4th best selling Blu - Ray of its release week.

They don't provide sales figures just percentage versus the top Selling release.

Thenumbers also reports this, 4th place.

The say 95,435 units sold for 5.725 million in sales.

 

[Michael]

Re: The OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Season 1 Discussion Thread

Well, they might not have put the Abramsprise into "The naked now"-remastered, but here is a look at some of the other mistakes/bloopers that were fixed that not everybody might have noticed, yet. This includes visible camera/lighting equipment, visible studio ceilings, a previously visible flowerpot in the middle of a jungle and some other nice surprises. :-)

Here's the article at EAS:

Notable changes in TNG Remastered

Thanks for that. Some of these I can understand, but why did they have to cut out the hand taking the glass in "Angel One"? This has always been one of my favorite bloopers. (Almost as hilarious as McCoy shoving away Kirk's accidentally dropped phaser in "Space Seed". )

 

[Maxwell Everett]

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Don't see this mentioned. Per Homemediamagazine, Season one is the 4th best selling Blu - Ray of its release week.

They don't provide sales figures just percentage versus the top Selling release.

Thenumbers also reports this, 4th place.

The say 95,435 units sold for 5.725 million in sales.

Pretty solid sales figures... considering S1 is one of the least liked. I'd say they're well on their way to recouping that $9 million they put into it, even subtracting the cost of the disc replacement program (if every single consumer participated, it would cost them about $2 per disc, so about $572,610). But I doubt everyone is even aware of the problem.

Here's hoping they recognize that pricing the sets below $60 will make them more money in the long run.

 

[davejames]

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And that's just for the first week. There's still probably a ton of people who haven't picked one up yet, but are planning to.

 

[BillJ]

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And that's just for the first week. There's still probably a ton of people who haven't picked one up yet, but are planning to.

Shows that a healthy market exists for Trek done right.

 

[mswood]

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Actually its only part of the week. And its one of the better performances of TV shows on BluRay's even for new shows.

Interesting side, the releases in 1st-3rd all did have the full week (ie not new releases) to have sales.

BAsed on my tracking of sales for various shows expect 4 times that to be purchased this year. Too bad all teh money doesn't cover the upgrade cost, but still not bad at all.