Odo in the episode Profit and Loss - Were there any consequences?

[Use of Time]

This thread has been dead for over a day

...What?

Since when has there been a "requirement" for daily posting? Some people only post on weekends, some never on weekends, and DS9 posters are an elite squad of sorts among us nerds - very few of us around here, in comparison with even ENT fans. But our threads tend to stay interesting fairly long (perhaps it's all the Terry Farrell content) and the ideas keep bubbling up...

You come across as very condescending.

You most certainly do.

Timo Saloniemi

I think you have misunderstood me. I don't think I ever implied a thread required daily posting or that the thread was somehow "finished." My problem was more with the fact that Raytas jumped into a discussion for the sole purpose of pointing out my grammar issues, which was the spelling of the name Garak.

Being a philologist, I am kind of pedantic, but this is a pet peeve of mine: please spell the names of the characters correctly. His name is "Garak", not "Garek". If unsure, there are search engines and people here who would be happy to help.

This thread has been dead for over a day and out of all that has been said you are going to jump in now because I mispelled GARAK's name? You didn't even participate in the discussion. I find it somewhat rude to go running through the message boards calling people out for grammar. Your pet peeves are not my concern. You come across as very condescending.

Eh, sorry to burst your bubble, but to quote Shakesphere, "The lady doth protest too much." Raytas politely asked for an effort to be given and cited her reasons as to why. She even said please.

You're the one who personally attacked her by calling her rude and condecending. I'd be more worried about your own actions and less about others.

And really, someone bumps a thread that's been active for a day and you jump them for that? This isn't a face to face conversation, that's the wonderful thing about message boards. You can revive threads and coversations that have been "over" for days or weeks.

Yeah I didn't really jump or attack anybody so let's not dramatize this any further. You said I should be more concerned with my own actions than those of others? Why don't you tell that to Raytas or take your own advice. My response was only to let her know that I didn't appreciate being called out for my grammar and how I think it is somewhat rude for somebody to do that. In short, my response was soley my being "concerned" with my own actions.

Does anybody have anything to add to what is a pretty good discussion? My apologies for the mild derailing of this thread.

 

[chrinFinity]

Back on track (and I don't care how long the thread has been dead for, and no I didn't bother to check)...

We see in Emissary that Odo does have phaser detecting alarms on DS9, however it appears (and is stated in dialogue) that these are installed "on the promenade," and the way it is stated implies that equivalent sensors are not (necessarily) installed elsewhere on the station.

My memory seems to indicate that the scene in question took place in the docking ring. To me, any combination of the following elements satisfies my concerns with respect to Garak's phasering of what's-his-cardassian-name.

a) It's the docking ring. Easy to believe it's not riddled with sensors for every little thing.
b) Odo is standing right there. Like others have suggested, it's conceivable he already took steps to disable whatever's around.
c) I get the impression that Garak could probably reprogram a phaser to make its victim sing and dance... vaporizing someone without setting off the normal (outdated Cardassian) alarm sensors is probably child's play.
d) Dramatic license. It's written that way, and here we all are twenty years later trying to rationalize it. Live long and prosper.

 

[Use of Time]

Back on track (and I don't care how long the thread has been dead for, and no I didn't bother to check)...

We see in Emissary that Odo does have phaser detecting alarms on DS9, however it appears (and is stated in dialogue) that these are installed "on the promenade," and the way it is stated implies that equivalent sensors are not (necessarily) installed elsewhere on the station.

My memory seems to indicate that the scene in question took place in the docking ring. To me, any combination of the following elements satisfies my concerns with respect to Garak's phasering of what's-his-cardassian-name.

a) It's the docking ring. Easy to believe it's not riddled with sensors for every little thing.
b) Odo is standing right there. Like others have suggested, it's conceivable he already took steps to disable whatever's around.
c) I get the impression that Garak could probably reprogram a phaser to make its victim sing and dance... vaporizing someone without setting off the normal (outdated Cardassian) alarm sensors is probably child's play.
d) Dramatic license. It's written that way, and here we all are twenty years later trying to rationalize it. Live long and prosper.

I'm trying to remember if Sisko was aware of the Cardassian Gul being on the station or not. Does killing the Cardassian conflict with Odo's religious adherance to justice?

P.S. your opening comment was unnecessary, never implied the thread was finished or done only that it hadn't been commented on in awhile. Sheesh.

 

[Timo]

We see in Emissary that Odo does have phaser detecting alarms on DS9, however it appears (and is stated in dialogue) that these are installed "on the promenade," and the way it is stated implies that equivalent sensors are not (necessarily) installed elsewhere on the station.

Where in the episode do we see this?

Odo's sensors tell Kira (but not Odo) that Nog and his accomplice are up to no good, at which point Kira, Sisko and Odo rush to the scene. Sisko fires his phaser, and no alarm goes off. At other times in this episode and others, our Starfleet heroes wander about without tripping any alarms. And several times we see villains smuggle energy weapons all the way to Quark's. If there are alarms on the Promenade, they clearly are silent ones, and in many cases it appears they are so silent that not even Odo is aware of a violation of his gun rules.

I'm trying to remember if Sisko was aware of the Cardassian Gul being on the station or not.

Sisko knew that Gul Toran was threatening his station by pointing his starship's guns at it. There was no evidence that anybody knew Toran had beamed over to the station for the final confrontation, but he visited Garak once before, and it would probably have been unwise of him to try and visit covertly - if anybody caught him (or Garak squealed), his ability to clandestinely infiltrate the station would be made public, and a major tactical advantage would be lost. So I rather suspect Sisko gave him permission to come aboard; he took the opportunity to go chat with Garak in his shop; he then either loitered (perhaps with plenty of his men around, to intimidate and to create confusion and diversion) and at the right moment tried to kill the dissidents, or then very visibly returned to his ship but then secretly infiltrated back.

Difficult to know which is more likely. But at this point, it would make sense that Cardassians (and not just Obsidian Order agents, but rather any Gul with a clearance) would know codes that would allow them to do a lot of things at and to the station behind the backs of the Starfleet overseers. Sisko might well be kept in the dark, then.

Does killing the Cardassian conflict with Odo's religious adherance to justice?

His "justice sense" supposedly stems from an inborn Changeling desire to see all Solids eliminated as a threat, usually through subjugation. I'm not sure he has ever demonstrated the sentiment that killing is wrong as a thing, or that everybody deserves to live unless otherwise proven, or things of that nature.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Use of Time]

We see in Emissary that Odo does have phaser detecting alarms on DS9, however it appears (and is stated in dialogue) that these are installed "on the promenade," and the way it is stated implies that equivalent sensors are not (necessarily) installed elsewhere on the station.

Where in the episode do we see this?

Odo's sensors tell Kira (but not Odo) that Nog and his accomplice are up to no good, at which point Kira, Sisko and Odo rush to the scene. Sisko fires his phaser, and no alarm goes off. At other times in this episode and others, our Starfleet heroes wander about without tripping any alarms. And several times we see villains smuggle energy weapons all the way to Quark's. If there are alarms on the Promenade, they clearly are silent ones, and in many cases it appears they are so silent that not even Odo is aware of a violation of his gun rules.

I'm trying to remember if Sisko was aware of the Cardassian Gul being on the station or not.

Sisko knew that Gul Toran was threatening his station by pointing his starship's guns at it. There was no evidence that anybody knew Toran had beamed over to the station for the final confrontation, but he visited Garak once before, and it would probably have been unwise of him to try and visit covertly - if anybody caught him (or Garak squealed), his ability to clandestinely infiltrate the station would be made public, and a major tactical advantage would be lost. So I rather suspect Sisko gave him permission to come aboard; he took the opportunity to go chat with Garak in his shop; he then either loitered (perhaps with plenty of his men around, to intimidate and to create confusion and diversion) and at the right moment tried to kill the dissidents, or then very visibly returned to his ship but then secretly infiltrated back.

Difficult to know which is more likely. But at this point, it would make sense that Cardassians (and not just Obsidian Order agents, but rather any Gul with a clearance) would know codes that would allow them to do a lot of things at and to the station behind the backs of the Starfleet overseers. Sisko might well be kept in the dark, then.

Good point. I think it would have been a cool ending to have some sort of scene with Sisko or Odo that addressed what happend here. One way or another the Cardassians probably would have hailed the station in search of the missing Gul. I suspect Sisko would have found out about the Gul's death one way or another. Does anybody happen to know if the station keeps some sort of accountability with records to the numbers of people currently on the station. I know it would become a moot point if we assume that the Gul knows how to get around that. Food for thought.

Does killing the Cardassian conflict with Odo's religious adherance to justice?

His "justice sense" supposedly stems from an inborn Changeling desire to see all Solids eliminated as a threat, usually through subjugation. I'm not sure he has ever demonstrated the sentiment that killing is wrong as a thing, or that everybody deserves to live unless otherwise proven, or things of that nature.

Timo Saloniemi

I like the way you worded that first sentence. That might be the best summary of the Founders I have come across. As for Odo I was just wondering if he was all about "Due Process" and what not.

P.S. my response to your second paragraph about Sisko's knowledge of the Cardassian Gul is embedded inside the quote box. I don't quite know how to make it look like I'm responding to separate paragraphs without that happening. I'll muddle through it till I figure it out.

 

[Timo]

As for Odo I was just wondering if he was all about "Due Process" and what not.

Considering that he got started in this whole law&order business in "Necessary Evil" by first skimping over Cardassian due process and then actually perverting it to his own ends, going from getting a superficially plausible if random suspect nailed to letting the confirmed culprit go, I'd say he's not a process kind of a person at all.

I don't quite know how to make it look like I'm responding to separate paragraphs

The easiest way is to "manually" edit the quote brackets: if you want to stop my tirade for a response, insert a /quote in square brackets, and then again insert a quote in square brackets when you want me to continue. Just check that the "paired bookends" match. It takes a bit more typing to always insert the header that tells who is being quoted, and I'm notorious for never bothering... But you can see the code for that when you start quoting; just copy the relevant stuff from the first line to start each quoted paragraph.

There are probably much better ways to do it and I'll look ridiculous trying to promote the manual approach, but I never read the manual...

(Actually, in everyday life, I always read the manual. But I come here to relax. )

Does anybody happen to know if the station keeps some sort of accountability with records to the numbers of people currently on the station.

Starfleet vessels do that. But we never really heard of DS9 having the technical wherewithal or the procedural impetus. In "Second Sight", our heroes thought they knew for sure that nobody came aboard from USS Prometheus, which is why the mirage woman was such a mystery - but that may have been simple manual bookkeeping. Odo refers to "de-embargation logs" which would do a much poorer job at tracking people than sensors, because anybody could skip the usual embarkation points by arriving via transporter, or hide inside a cargo container brought aboard, or wait until the bookkeeping person at the airlock had left and then sneak aboard.

I know it would become a moot point if we assume that the Gul knows how to get around that.

To be fair, Starfleet might consider it a priority to set up security systems that defeat Cardassian loopholes and back doors. They would fail in many cases, but an intruder alert system that ignores passwords would be a priority. Then again, setting up sufficient sensors on the vast station could well be the bottleneck issue, as the old Cardassian stuff was apparently quite efficiently sabotaged or rendered inaccessible to Odo in "Emissary".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Use of Time]

As for Odo I was just wondering if he was all about "Due Process" and what not.

Considering that he got started in this whole law&order business in "Necessary Evil" by first skimping over Cardassian due process and then actually perverting it to his own ends, going from getting a superficially plausible if random suspect nailed to letting the confirmed culprit go, I'd say he's not a process kind of a person at all.

I don't quite know how to make it look like I'm responding to separate paragraphs

The easiest way is to "manually" edit the quote brackets: if you want to stop my tirade for a response, insert a /quote in square brackets, and then again insert a quote in square brackets when you want me to continue. Just check that the "paired bookends" match. It takes a bit more typing to always insert the header that tells who is being quoted, and I'm notorious for never bothering... But you can see the code for that when you start quoting; just copy the relevant stuff from the first line to start each quoted paragraph.

There are probably much better ways to do it and I'll look ridiculous trying to promote the manual approach, but I never read the manual...

(Actually, in everyday life, I always read the manual. But I come here to relax. )

Does anybody happen to know if the station keeps some sort of accountability with records to the numbers of people currently on the station.

Starfleet vessels do that. But we never really heard of DS9 having the technical wherewithal or the procedural impetus. In "Second Sight", our heroes thought they knew for sure that nobody came aboard from USS Prometheus, which is why the mirage woman was such a mystery - but that may have been simple manual bookkeeping. Odo refers to "de-embargation logs" which would do a much poorer job at tracking people than sensors, because anybody could skip the usual embarkation points by arriving via transporter, or hide inside a cargo container brought aboard, or wait until the bookkeeping person at the airlock had left and then sneak aboard.

I know it would become a moot point if we assume that the Gul knows how to get around that.

To be fair, Starfleet might consider it a priority to set up security systems that defeat Cardassian loopholes and back doors. They would fail in many cases, but an intruder alert system that ignores passwords would be a priority. Then again, setting up sufficient sensors on the vast station could well be the bottleneck issue, as the old Cardassian stuff was apparently quite efficiently sabotaged or rendered inaccessible to Odo in "Emissary".

Timo Saloniemi

Thanks for the help Timo.

Yeah, I was just wondering if DS9 internal sensors would pick up the vaporizing of the Gul and flash some sort of "hey there is one less person on board the station message." I would be very concerned about accountability if I were left in command of a station like DS9

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Filled with rage, this one is. All this waaahhh because I called you out on your faulty spelling (which was probably totally random)? This adds to the discussion in which I directly responded to something you had written.

I did not mean you any insult. This overreaction (and the calling of names) does make you look a tad puerile; no offense.

The smartest thing to do would have been to ignore it, not to go all ballistic over the internet. We're a nice, but rather pedantic people, I'm afraid (at least I am), and going mediaeval on people because they criticised you is not going to win you many friends...it will also seriously impare your ability to have fun around here.

To do you a favour, good sir, I shall leave this thread, lest I give you cause to unleash your righteous anger at someone you will never even meet...we wouldn't want anyone to go all caps lock, now, would we?

I did not mean to offend you, but if slight, impersonal criticism causes you to get your knickers in a twist and start calling people names, I will, in times to come, avoid conversing with you. It's not worth it, and it removes all the lulz from posting.

Don't take everything this seriously. Just have a little fun. And as all of us, you have the right to call people on their mistakes.

And with all due respect, you don't get to tell me where and when I can post.

I won't reply to any other insults directed at my person, and I think I will ignore you henceforward (dun dun dun DUN).

If my post has seriously offended you, I of course apologise. I do not expect the same from you. If you reply inside this thread, I won't read it.

I sincerely wish you a good time posting around here.

Long days and pleasant nights!

 

[Use of Time]

Filled with rage, this one is. All this waaahhh because I called you out on your faulty spelling (which was probably totally random)? This adds to the discussion in which I directly responded to something you had written.

I did not mean you any insult. This overreaction (and the calling of names) does make you look a tad puerile; no offense.

The smartest thing to do would have been to ignore it, not to go all ballistic over the internet. We're a nice, but rather pedantic people, I'm afraid (at least I am), and going mediaeval on people because they criticised you is not going to win you many friends...it will also seriously impare your ability to have fun around here.

To do you a favour, good sir, I shall leave this thread, lest I give you cause to unleash your righteous anger at someone you will never even meet...we wouldn't want anyone to go all caps lock, now, would we?

I did not mean to offend you, but if slight, impersonal criticism causes you to get your knickers in a twist and start calling people names, I will, in times to come, avoid conversing with you. It's not worth it, and it removes all the lulz from posting.

Don't take everything this seriously. Just have a little fun. And as all of us, you have the right to call people on their mistakes.

And with all due respect, you don't get to tell me where and when I can post.

I won't reply to any other insults directed at my person, and I think I will ignore you henceforward (dun dun dun DUN).

If my post has seriously offended you, I of course apologise. I do not expect the same from you. If you reply inside this thread, I won't read it.

I sincerely wish you a good time posting around here.

Long days and pleasant nights!

I responded with four sentences to tell you how I felt about the situation. I didn't call you any names only that I felt the action was rude. That was a couple of days ago. Then I and the people that were actually participating in the discussion moved on. You said your piece and I said mine. I don't really understand why you felt the need to drag this up again with your snarky response. At no point did I tell you where you can and cannot post. I find your summary of our little spat to be somewhat sensationalistic. I have enjoyed the discussion in this thread and have appreciated the views presented by others, so it is out of respect for them and this thread that I promise this is the last I will speak of this.

If you find it necessary to ignore me from now on then I will accept that but that is somewhat regrettable considering how we have never had a chance to discuss Trek or anything else.

What do you say give we give each other another chance now that we know where we are coming from? I apologize if you feel that I attacked you but I assure you that was not my intention.

 

[R. Star]

... back on subject.. again.

Odo didn't care about due process at all. He really didn't. He did have a set of morals and a desire for order. These were his opinions and they mattered more to him than any written law.

For example, how many times has Odo arrested Quark without charges, or without giving him counsel? In his mind the station was more orderly without Quark's scheming the details didn't matter. He wanted to break up Rom's union just because he found public protests "disorderly." Heck, he even offered to arrest some pagh wraith cultists who were peacefully chanting on the Promenade just because their presence annoyed his girlfriend.

Most of the time his morals are good ones, but he really does have a fascist streak in him, which Quark calls him on. To Odo, I'd say letting Natima would be just as much for justice as it would be to get this annoying situation off of his station.

As for Gul Toran? It's quite possible Sisko didn't know of his presence on DS9. He was there to kill Natima and company after all, so it's not like he's going to annouce his visit. And with Natima getting away, I suppose it's possible that once the Cardassian ship realizes they're gone, they jump into pursuit immediately assuming the "terrorists" killed their captain.

 

[Timo]

how many times has Odo arrested Quark without charges, or without giving him counsel?

Interestingly, we don't know whether either UFP or Bajoran law requires establishing the charges at arrest, or giving counsel. We have seen neither of these things happen, mainly because we have only seen military courts. And even there, counsel is something you don't appear to get automatically, or in the early stages; the process is haphazard and improvised in most of the courts we witness.

And with Natima getting away, I suppose it's possible that once the Cardassian ship realizes they're gone, they jump into pursuit immediately assuming the "terrorists" killed their captain.

This is the likely outcome, certainly. And with the cloak, the terrorists get away. After which the ship's crew has to choose whether to put the blame of the failure on their deceased Gul, or on some or all of the DS9 folks and organizations. I could see it go either way, really - perhaps Toran's Glinn would skip any grievances with Sisko because he or she would better benefit from reporting Toran's embarrassing failure and waiting for a field promotion.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Use of Time: Good sir (yeah I know I'm not funny ),

(sorry about this last derailing, guys - but I can't pm him somehow. This is the last time, I promise promise promise)

I believe we have both fallen victim to internet misunderstanding syndrome- at least I have. You felt insulted by me and I thought you were calling me a rude and condescencing person! Obviously, neither of us meant to go mediaeval on the other. Boy, do I feel stupid.

Going through your posts, I see that you know your stuff - more than I do, in fact.

What do we say we forget this sorry episode and start anew? Heated discussions regarding Trek and not stuff that doesn't matter in the least are fun, and I would be honoured if you would accept my apology for bitching like that at poor you.

Please? When I'm not being a pompous cow, I am actually pretty nice.

In any case, I wish all of us happy posting, and I am truly sorry for having misinterpreted the criticism of my criticism.



Cheers,

CR

(who promises she won't go off topic again - and apologises for speaking of herself in the third person.)

 

[Use of Time]

Use of Time: Good sir (yeah I know I'm not funny ),

(sorry about this last derailing, guys - but I can't pm him somehow. This is the last time, I promise promise promise)

I believe we have both fallen victim to internet misunderstanding syndrome- at least I have. You felt insulted by me and I thought you were calling me a rude and condescencing person! Obviously, neither of us meant to go mediaeval on the other. Boy, do I feel stupid.

Going through your posts, I see that you know your stuff - more than I do, in fact.

What do we say we forget this sorry episode and start anew? Heated discussions regarding Trek and not stuff that doesn't matter in the least are fun, and I would be honoured if you would accept my apology for bitching like that at poor you.

Please? When I'm not being a pompous cow, I am actually pretty nice.

In any case, I wish all of us happy posting, and I am truly sorry for having misinterpreted the criticism of my criticism.



Cheers,

CR

(who promises she won't go off topic again - and apologises for speaking of herself in the third person.)

Thank you for this post. All is forgotton as far as I'm concrerned. I look forward to your posts in the future. I suspect you can't PM me yet because I am somewhat new and I don't have that particular privelage.

P.S. I suspect one thing we have in common is an appreciation for the Dark Tower series. Loved that series.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I believe you need to enable the pm function...? Don't remember, it's been too long. Oh, and I hope that HBO picks up the Dark Tower as they have A Song of Ice and Fire, because the result would be fantastic!!!

As for Profit and Loss:I would have hoped to see the story of Cardassian dissidents developed further. I mean, we know that the Cardassian government doesn't tolerate differing opinions, but there should be more who disagree....and who are willing and able to protest the oppression. Much like the political dissidents in modern Russia. I think that's a lot of potential simply referenced to in one single episode.

 

[Use of Time]

I agree that the writers did a horrible job putting an ending on this one. You can see from all of the comments in this thread that intelligent Star Trek fans can usually rationalize and fill in the blanks but I just feel that they left alot for us to reconcile on this one. I guess I like Timo's last explanation the best for this episode but the average watcher would never be able to piece that together.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

He has a gift for giving thorough explanations....seriously, this is a problem with ST in general: serious stuff happens, and there are no real consequences! We get an entire episode about Cardassian dissidents, and what is done with this? Nada. It would be great to see more of it...or at the very least, as has already been said, consequences for the people who helped Natima Lang and her gang escape.

It would have given the Cardassians way more depth, a real, permanent dissident movement, and the moral implications of the UFP's either support or adherence to the Prime Directive. Especially for Sisko, surrounded with sympathising non-Fed citizens, this would have been difficult - and a great source of conflict with his conscience and his superiors.

But as of the next episode, it was all gone. Wasted potential and character development, if you ask me.

 

[Use of Time]

He has a gift for giving thorough explanations....seriously, this is a problem with ST in general: serious stuff happens, and there are no real consequences! We get an entire episode about Cardassian dissidents, and what is done with this? Nada. It would be great to see more of it...or at the very least, as has already been said, consequences for the people who helped Natima Lang and her gang escape.

It would have given the Cardassians way more depth, a real, permanent dissident movement, and the moral implications of the UFP's either support or adherence to the Prime Directive. Especially for Sisko, surrounded with sympathising non-Fed citizens, this would have been difficult - and a great source of conflict with his conscience and his superiors.

But as of the next episode, it was all gone. Wasted potential and character development, if you ask me.

It would have been a great segue into the Dominion War too. How did the dissidents react to the Dominion alliance with Cardassia? They probably knew that that partnership could only end badly. It's amazing how the Cardassians ended up the sympathetic race in the grand scheme of things.

 

[R. Star]

Yeah, it would've been nice to see the "dissident" element in the civillian government too. Tekeny Ghemor would have made the perfect head of state for them instead of Dukat being their face. Natima, Rekellen and Hogue all could have showed up again too.

You do have to feel for Cardassia in that the one time they turn to democracy the Klingons just cry out "They must be changelings!" and invade, setting them back even further than they were before.

 

[Timo]

We get an entire episode about Cardassian dissidents, and what is done with this? Nada.

We might draw the conclusion that this episode was even more "romantic" (as in "pathetic") than the writers perhaps intended - that the visiting protagonists were doomed from the start and were defeated the moment they left the story. It's not as if Casablanca really ends in an Allied victory or anything, either: the main thing is what happens to Rick, not what happens to those two McGuffins and their de Gaulle -signed McGuffins on their way to McGuffin.

The lesson of the day: dissidence on Cardassia doesn't pay.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[chrinFinity]

We see in Emissary that Odo does have phaser detecting alarms on DS9, however it appears (and is stated in dialogue) that these are installed "on the promenade," and the way it is stated implies that equivalent sensors are not (necessarily) installed elsewhere on the station.

Where in the episode do we see this?

Odo's sensors tell Kira (but not Odo) that Nog and his accomplice are up to no good, at which point Kira, Sisko and Odo rush to the scene. Sisko fires his phaser, and no alarm goes off. At other times in this episode and others, our Starfleet heroes wander about without tripping any alarms. And several times we see villains smuggle energy weapons all the way to Quark's. If there are alarms on the Promenade, they clearly are silent ones, and in many cases it appears they are so silent that not even Odo is aware of a violation of his gun rules.

I made a mistake, the scene that exlicitly demonstrates the weapon detectors on the Promenade is from Captive Pursuit (it freaks out the Tosk, if I recall).

From Memory Alpha:

Odo's security office and the station's holding cells were located just off the Promenade, and Odo kept a close eye on the area's goings on. He did not allow weapons on the Promenade, and the airlocks leading to it had built-in weapon detectors. (DS9: "Emissary", "Captive Pursuit")

There's even a whole article on the Weapon Detectors: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Weapon_detector