Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole

[gturner]

But Chik-Fil-A isn't discriminating. They hire gays, they serve gays.

That's still not true.

A gay guy couldn't become a franchisee. A gay guy couldn't go on one of their corporate retreats.

Care to try again?

You are mistaken, because lots of people are talking about their gay relatives who own Chick-Fil-A's and manage Chick-Fil-A's, wondering what the heck the screaming is about.

Buying a franchise involves having the money, a good location, and sending people off for training. It doesn't involve a in-depth FBI background check.

Even the "donate to organizations that discriminate" is a red-herring, coming from one Chick-Fil-A franchise that donated food to a corporate retreat, one of the many, many types of charitable things Chick-Fil-A franchises do in their communities. If wasn't a Chick-Fil-A corporate retreat, it was one that franchise happened to donate food for. As it turned out, the retreat didn't allow gay people to attend. Suddenly Chick-Fil-A is accused of discriminating against gays.

I'm sure a lot of your local restaurants have donated to the Boy Scouts. Are you going to smear them for it?

 

[cooleddie74]

Gay people and the relationships they choose to have with other consenting adults are not and have never been a threat to people such as Knight Templar. If they don't like or agree with homosexuality and homosexual behavior, that's their right. But they don't have the moral right to impose discrimination and bigotry on that community because they don't like it, no matter what the Old Testament(which is supposedly no longer binding on modern Christians from what little birdies have told me) says.

America is going to have to fully grow up at some point and realize that just because someone is born different from another person doesn't give them the right to make that individual's life more difficult or even miserable. You don't have to like someone's differences. You don't have to understand them. But if you claim to be a decent, modern human being who believes in American values then you have to tolerate them and let them be. Learn to turn the other cheek. Pay attention to the mote in your own eye. Focus on your own life and the lives of your family and try to do some positive things for your community. You know...be a Christian.

If someone else in America discriminated against conservative Christians the way they do against homosexuals or, especially in the past, black citizens then the right-wing fundamentalists would be massing in human numbers not seen since the Battle of Stalingrad.

 

[gturner]

You approve of CFA's advocating discrimination against homosexuals.

No, I'm saying they have the right to advocate for a position, curiously exactly the same position that Barack Obama advocated for. If Barack Obama was advocating for the same stand, how is it that he's not evil but Chick-Fil-A is? Why is he not denounced as odious?

 

[Peacemaker]

Buying a franchise involves having the money, a good location, and sending people off for training. It doesn't involve a in-depth FBI background check.

No, according to Forbes Magazine that isn't so. There is much more to it. Care to try again.

 

[Peacemaker]

You approve of CFA's advocating discrimination against homosexuals.

No, I'm saying they have the right to advocate for a position, curiously exactly the same position that Barack Obama advocated for. If Barack Obama was advocating for the same stand, how is it that he's not evil but Chick-Fil-A is? Why is he not denounced as odious?

Actually, a great many gays did protest rather fervently about his previous stand on gay marriage and civil unions.

 

[boobatuba]

You approve of CFA's advocating discrimination against homosexuals.

No, I'm saying they have the right to advocate for a position, curiously exactly the same position that Barack Obama advocated for. If Barack Obama was advocating for the same stand, how is it that he's not evil but Chick-Fil-A is? Why is he not denounced as odious?

It's a matter of degree and you're very much aware of it.

Barack Obama doesn't give thousands of dollars to groups who practice anti-gay hate and actively work to oppress gays. Barack Obama doesn't discriminate against having gays in his administration.

Besides, Barack Obama changed his mind once he realized how stupid it was to oppose equal rights for gays.

 

[Gov Kodos]

You approve of CFA's advocating discrimination against homosexuals.

No, I'm saying they have the right to advocate for a position, curiously exactly the same position that Barack Obama advocated for. If Barack Obama was advocating for the same stand, how is it that he's not evil but Chick-Fil-A is? Why is he not denounced as odious?

Your active blindness to the companies policies speaks otherwise. Your continued attempts to mischaracterize the arguments made here says otherwise. You disprove of people arguing against CFA's activities?

 

[Knight Templar]

Homosexuality is a choice.

No one forces you to have homosexual sex. Aside from instances of rape of course.

No, it's not a choice. You have no proof it's a choice, it's not even in the Bible as a choice. Just because you don't understand basic biology doesn't give you the right to discriminate against someone for merely existing.

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Homosexuality is a choice.

No one forces you to have homosexual sex. Aside from instances of rape of course.

No, it's not a choice. You have no proof it's a choice, it's not even in the Bible as a choice. Just because you don't understand basic biology doesn't give you the right to discriminate against someone for merely existing.

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

Only your desire to persecute people for being who they are is being infringed. A common bleat from bigots. 'I'm being persecuted by not being free to oppress the rights of others.'

 

[Knight Templar]

No, it's not a choice. You have no proof it's a choice, it's not even in the Bible as a choice. Just because you don't understand basic biology doesn't give you the right to discriminate against someone for merely existing.

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

Only your desire to persecute people for being who they are is being infringed. A common bleat from bigots. 'I'm being persecuted by not being free to oppress the rights of others.'

Refusing to hire someone. i.e refusing to pay them MY MONEY is not oppressing people.

 

[gturner]

Buying a franchise involves having the money, a good location, and sending people off for training. It doesn't involve a in-depth FBI background check.

No, according to Forbes Magazine that isn't so. There is much more to it. Care to try again.

Corporate anal probes, virginity tests, stool samples, blood tests? Made to stare at gay porn with one of those little blood flow measurement things attached to your wee-wee?

Yes, they'll look at your financial background and work history. No, they're not going to hire private investigators to follow you around. How could they? They get tens of thousands of applications every year.

Maybe you should give it a try.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Careers-Franchise-Opportunity

 

[The Dominion]

But Chik-Fil-A isn't discriminating. They hire gays, they serve gays.

That's still not true.

A gay guy couldn't become a franchisee. A gay guy couldn't go on one of their corporate retreats.

Care to try again?

You are mistaken, because lots of people are talking about their gay relatives who own Chick-Fil-A's and manage Chick-Fil-A's, wondering what the heck the screaming is about.

This has nothing to do with the specific discrimination IndyJones just pointed out to you in his post. Also, care to post a source?

 

[Balrog]

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

"I see fit" means systematically denying them the same opportunities in life afforded freely to you based on their sexual orientation?

 

[boobatuba]

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

Not as a business owner.

You see, in a civilized society, we have all sorts of rules that employers have to follow in order to satisfy the equal rights of everyone. That includes not allowing the majority of people to only employ people who look like them and think like them. That's why we have agencies like the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to investigate people who think like you and think it's "ok" to exclude people from employment who don't meet requirements that have nothing to do with the job.

In short, you can't just exclude people because you don't approve of their sexual preference, religion, skin color, gender, or many other things.

 

[cooleddie74]

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

So you're defending your rights to act in contradiction to the spirit of Jesus Christ and the overriding message of the New Testament and display discrimination and bigotry because of how a person is born and how they are by nature? You want to think of and treat them as a lesser human being because of it?

It'd be one thing if you didn't want to associate with or hire a severe, violent alcoholic with behavioral problems. Or a visibly obvious crystal meth addict. Or a belligerent bully who wanted to push others around. Even just a plain, simple idiot and reprobate who just wanted to act like a complete moron around everybody else. Knock yourself out. I'd do the same thing.

But to stand up for and bleat that your rights are being violated because you want to discriminate against someone because of the way they were born?

Not cool, bro. And you know it, even if you can't bring yourself to say it.

 

[Peacemaker]

Homosexuality is a choice.

No one forces you to have homosexual sex. Aside from instances of rape of course.

Homosexuality is not a choice;

It is also important to understand that people do not choose to be homosexuals. No one wakes up one day when they are 15 or 20 or 50 years old and says, "I have been heterosexual all my life. Today I choose to be homosexual.” In fact, the experience of most people is that they felt different from their earliest memories. Further they did not want these feelings and resisted them for years.

Do you know where that's from. It's from EXODUS INTERNATIONAL.

It would really pay for you to bone up on your own side's resource material.

 

[Peacemaker]

Buying a franchise involves having the money, a good location, and sending people off for training. It doesn't involve a in-depth FBI background check.

No, according to Forbes Magazine that isn't so. There is much more to it. Care to try again.

Corporate anal probes, virginity tests, stool samples, blood tests? Made to stare at gay porn with one of those little blood flow measurement things attached to your wee-wee?

Yes, they'll look at your financial background and work history. No, they're not going to hire private investigators to follow you around. How could they? They get tens of thousands of applications every year.

Maybe you should give it a try.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Company/Careers-Franchise-Opportunity

Before leveling such smarmy replies, you should first take a lesson from KT's interactions with me, for, i do a pretty good job of documenting what I wrote. Do some reading. Give that a try, then get back us.

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hey screen prospective operators for their loyalty, wholesome values and willingness to buy into Chick-fil-A's in-your-face Christian credo, espoused often by Cathy, an evangelical Southern Baptist who says "the Lord has never spoken to me, but I feel Chick-fil-A has been His gift."

 

[Hugh Mann]

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

Only your desire to persecute people for being who they are is being infringed. A common bleat from bigots. 'I'm being persecuted by not being free to oppress the rights of others.'

Refusing to hire someone. i.e refusing to pay them MY MONEY is not oppressing people.

You do not (or should not, I have no idea what the law is like where you live so I shall discuss as if you live under the same laws that I do) have the right to decline to hire someone on the basis of sexual orientation. To do so would be discriminatory in a way that society finds unacceptable. If you decline to hire someone because that person is a homosexual and you are either sued or charged with a crime, your rights are not being infringed upon, because you do not have the right to engage in such practices.

 

[Knight Templar]

I should have the right to deal with others who are different from me as I see fit as long as it causes no direct physical harm.

Otherwise my rights are being infringed upon.

So you're defending your rights to act in contradiction to the spirit of Jesus Christ and the overriding message of the New Testament and display discrimination and bigotry because of how a person is born and how they are by nature? You want to think of and treat them as a lesser human being because of it?

It'd be one thing if you didn't want to associate with or hire a severe, violent alcoholic with behavioral problems. Or a visibly obvious crystal meth addict. Or a belligerent bully who wanted to push others around. Even just a plain, simple idiot and reprobate who just wanted to act like a complete moron around everybody else. Knock yourself out. I'd do the same thing.

But to stand up for and bleat that your rights are being violated because you want to discriminate against someone because of the way they were born?

Not cool, bro. And you know it, even if you can't bring yourself to say it.

A man (or woman) has a right to promote and advocate their beliefs, ideals, and world view as long as it does not bring direct physical harm to anyone else.

A man (or woman) has a right (as long as they are paying their legally required taxes) to use their money remaining to do that mentioned above.

And NO other people even if they have "oppressed minority status" in America has any kind of "right" to your own resources.

If I were president, the EEOC would be gone in short order.

 

[Amaris]

Knight Templar, when did you stop being attracted to men?