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Contact about maybe illegal eBook

JWolf

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There is a eBook copy of Raise the Dawn that was published on July 10th that just raises all kinds of red flags. It feels wrong. The price is too low, the file size looks to be too small so it could maybe just be Mobipocket only, the publisher is not Simon & Schuster, there is no DRM and the number of pages is wrong.

Who should this be reported to and how to go about reporting it to said party be it Amazon or S&S?
 
Is it possible S&S finally got a clue about ebook prices, and they're lowering them to realistic levels after years or ripping off their customers with obscene pricing schemes?

Or is that a pipe dream?
 
Is it possible S&S finally got a clue about ebook prices, and they're lowering them to realistic levels after years or ripping off their customers with obscene pricing schemes?

Or is that a pipe dream?
I'd say a pipe dream. They'd probably have actual back cover copy rather than a review. ;)
 
If I had a penny for every time I read "ripping off their customers" on this forum, I'd be a rich man.
 
If I had a penny for every time I read "ripping off their customers" on this forum, I'd be a rich man.
You'll keep reading it until S&S stops charging more for ebooks than the print versions retail for. ;)
 
^ Then I really need to find a way to charge that penny. Think about it, I could buy S&S and hire back Marco and the other editors, and they'd have enough manpower to release one novel per week! Plus there would be a paintball course in the basement where veteran authors could take potshots at cardboard cutouts of Richard Arnold!
 
And David Mack gets a corner office with a mini-bar, Christopher Bennett has a suite with a really hot secretary, and Kirsten Beyer gets the Voyager floor with one of those ball-filled play areas for her daughter.
 

Thank you. I have just reported it.

Is it possible S&S finally got a clue about ebook prices, and they're lowering them to realistic levels after years or ripping off their customers with obscene pricing schemes?

Or is that a pipe dream?

This is a pipe dream. This listing is so out of character. And besides, if S&S was dropping the price, there would be the one listing with the proper release date and the lower price.
 
And David Mack gets a corner office with a mini-bar, Christopher Bennett has a suite with a really hot secretary, and Kirsten Beyer gets the Voyager floor with one of those ball-filled play areas for her daughter.

Dibs on the corporate holodeck!
 
And David Mack gets a corner office with a mini-bar, Christopher Bennett has a suite with a really hot secretary, and Kirsten Beyer gets the Voyager floor with one of those ball-filled play areas for her daughter.

Dibs on the corporate holodeck!

I am sorry Greg - only writers currently engaged in 24th century Treklit have access.

You are confined to the garishly coloured 23rd century floor. You may take some consolation in that corporate dresscode specifies mini-skirts for all female members of staff...
 
If I had a penny for every time I read "ripping off their customers" on this forum, I'd be a rich man.

So you'd rather have people not voice their opinions and stay poor? ;)

Seriously though, I've seen you defending e-books in a lot of posts, and feel free to do so. However, being one of the 'not so fond of e-books' crowd myself, I can tell you it's a lost cause. We just feel that way. And if you really want to be in discussions about it, be my guest. But honoustly, I've given up on that and decided to put my energy in things that will actually see results.

And I don't mind that as an attack, or a harsh comment. If it came across as that, please accept my apologies.
 
^ Actually I really didn't mean that specifically about e-books, or in defense of e-books. (And FWIW, in the e-book related discussions I remember us both participating in I think I gave great respect to your preference, and in other threads I've actually warned about buying into ebooks just yet or pointed out one needs to at least be careful and smart about it, so I don't think making me out to be a single-minded poster boy for e-books is very fair.)

Rather I've been noticing the complaint coming up in relation to just about any product you can name: People complain that the TNG Blu-rays are overpriced (despite being the result of a remastering project of unprecedented scale and difficulity that is costing a double-digit amount of millions of dollars to accomplish), people complain that Federation: The First 150 Years is overpriced (despite being a complicated and unusual product with likely bad economies of scale), people complain that the e-books are overpriced, ... I don't know, perhaps in every one of these cases the people in question are actually qualified to comment on the industry in general and those products specifically after having done the proper amount of research. But somehow I doubt it; I think quite often it's more likely that what they really mean to say is well bummer, I wish it was cheaper than that.

And I just generally don't have that impulse to start off with the assumption that the other side is out to screw me over, either. I think the businesses that survive have usually figured out that it's a bad strategy in the long run to screw over their customers, and price fairly. I suppose many would call that naive and foolish. I wonder if it's a cultural difference, too; maybe it's more common in the US to engage with the market in such a guarded way as a consumer?

Additionally, there's that whole voting-with-your-wallet angle: I don't really mind if the profit margin on the TNG Blu-rays is good for CBS Home Entertainment. On the contrary, I hope they get filthy rich as a reward for the daunting and ambitious task they've committed to doing, and in the hopes that they're going to see a business case for remastering the other shows as well (and the other shows are going to have smaller audiences, so the economies of scale are worse, but consumers are probably not going to stand for selling them at higher prices so I hope they priced TNG at a level that makes sense for them too). Similarly, I hope it pays off to make something as ambitious as Federation: The First 150 Years so we'll see more products like it.

As for e-book pricing specifically, they may very well be priced unfairly right now: I'm not qualified to comment, so I won't make claims either way. What I do know is that I don't mind paying a small amount extra for my preferred reading experience. This is purely psychological; since I value the experience higher and consider it superior I am OK with paying more for it.
 
I see your point now. And agree with it, when you put in that way. I work in a store, and I learned a thing or two about retail. The idea that we are all out there to swindle people of their money.... Some people have no clue about the costs involving the sale of a product. So yes, now that I understand your point, I do agree with it. If you have no idea why something costs a certain amount of money to make, then don't complain about it.

I understand how people think that the BluRay's are overpriced, because a single blanc disc is hardly worth anything. But the costs behind the ENTIRE PROJECT, like you said, are very high. They need to earn that money back somehow.
 
I think some perspective is required - whatever the format, your books in the USA are cheap compared to elsewhere, and offer excellent value per hour of entertainment. I can, however, see that it is unfair is if a premium is added to the most current format - in this case ebooks. You can see this with DVD and Bluray releases of recent films. With no expensive remastering required, manufacturing and distribution costs should be very similar. Shop prices aren't.

Overcharging appears pretty much everywhere - I'll give an example that will also tell you something about my musical tastes. I love the band Rush - I've followed them for over thirty years. I didn't go to their last UK tour and I'm not going to their 2013 tour because they are charging roughly double (£90) what other similar sized bands (i.e. Iron Maiden) charge for similar sized venues.

As a comparison, in a few weeks I am going to see former Yes vocalist Jon Anderson who is playing a one off gig and bringing in a whole foreign orchestra for that one show at a smallish theater venue. Without the ability to spread costs over a run of gigs and fewer tickets for sale than Rush's arena tour, tickets cost £65.

I feel that Rush are wildly overcharging - I have the simple choice of going or not going, and I'm not - it's too much. At least with books you have the option of picking up an even less expensive used copy at a later date. With a gig you miss it and it's gone for ever.

Book prices aren't that big an big issue imho.
 
Sooner or later a publisher will drop their ebook prices and everyone will have to follow suit once the business curve starts swinging their way.
 
I understand how people think that the BluRay's are overpriced, because a single blanc disc is hardly worth anything. But the costs behind the ENTIRE PROJECT, like you said, are very high. They need to earn that money back somehow.

The problem with blu-ray is these combo packs. I'm buying a blu-ray version. I don't want to also pay for a second disc that I'm never going to use. I don't want the SD DVD version along with the blu-ray version. That right there raises the prices.
 
Yeah, I don't get that either. I can see doing the multipack for people who want it, but it would be nice if you could get just the BR.
 
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