The Daily Mail ran a disturbing article on Scientology today.
I don't think I'm gonna head to Clearwater any time soon.
I don't think I'm gonna head to Clearwater any time soon.
Katie Holmes got tired of Scientology?
- Thread starter Gil T.Azell
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Just judging by the pictures... when can I move in?
I'm trying to understand how desperate people need to be to fall for "you need to pay thousands of dollars for your purification process".
No, wife & kids were. She is the one who's into it.
I know, right; it's like some kind of twisted time share scheme, where you go and listen to the presentation at a resort, but with Stepford People all over the place and weird security.
I'm thinking there are several elements to that. For one, they seem to target the very wealthy, so the thousands of dollars isn't going to be an issue for a while. (There's probably another path for Walmart shoppers who read Dianetics and pounded on the back door of the church.)
They're also probably playing on the common feeling that cheap treatments are probably worthless, whereas expensive treatments are bound to be effective - because they're really expensive.
I also figure they're only dealing with people who've just read Dianetics or some other LRH literature and bit the hook.
A friend said his Filipino wife--raised Catholic--is thinking of being a JW. I said, "But she never wants to leave the house. How can she knock on doors?"
Some people have issues; I have volumes; she has a freakin' library!!
Tom Cruise - Katie Holmes divorce settled.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement/
Why She Got Everything She Wanted:
http://blindgossip.com/?p=45523
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http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/09/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-settlement/
Why She Got Everything She Wanted:
http://blindgossip.com/?p=45523
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Are we seriously suggesting that a sexual history with the same sex justifies losing custody? Or is it supposed to be current infidelity with men justifies losing cutstody? Do all husbands divorced by their wives for infidelity lose custody?
If Katie Holmes is indeed a devout Roman Catholic, that's not going to be good for Suri either, you know.
If Katie Holmes is indeed a devout Roman Catholic, that's not going to be good for Suri either, you know.
I'm pretty sure you can't be a devout Roman Catholic and believe that Xenu and his army of psychiatrists marched Thetans into volcanoes and set off nuclear bombs under them, or whatever the wack-a-doodle story is.
If Katie does return to the Catholic Church, I know what her first words in confession will be.
"Father, you mean I don't have to strap myself to a lie detector for this?"
No, we aren't suggesting that at all. Rather, she knows he wants to keep his sexuality a secret, so she used that to get what she wanted,
This does go to a wider point. Scientology, historically, isn't very friendly to homosexuals. It seems to say one thing and do another in practice, so it's hard to tell if he wants to keep it on the DL because of that or because he thinks it will ruin his career.
Somehow, in this day and age, with all the matter of factness that coming out carries, it's hard to know if the latter is true. Maybe he was just raised with a lot of internalized homophobia, so he's genuinely afraid and doesn't see that, while there are some people who wouldn't go see his movies, given his waning career now, maybe now would be the time for him to just do the deed.
Yes, it would invite rumors and questions, but it's doing that now. Maybe he thinks if he comes out that these others with whom he'll be involved will be drawn into it. Well, okay, maybe that's true, but maybe even the Hollywood gossip mill would back off and give him some respect and leave it alone in the long term - and respect is something he seems to desperately need right now in order to reinvigorate his career at the box office.
I don't think that any of the big Scientology heads believe in that. Osama bin Laden and his staff didn't believe in 72 virgins, that's just the bullshit they told the gullible. Same way the Pope would call for a straight jacket when someone told him you just got orders from God personally in a dream.
I am pleased they settled quickly. Now, perhaps this story can just go away.
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Oh, no no no. There will be months of speculation, followed by more talking heads, followed by more speculation and possibly a tell all book by someone who knew a cousin who had a friend who's Uncle's Brother's Cousin's former roommate once met their maid's sister over coffee.
Why, does it go on your nerves?
She probably won't talk to the press directly (legal agreements, etc), but she's coming out of a pretty brutal cult. Depending on how deep she was in, she will likely go through a period of revelations, epiphanies, rage, and confusion, so she'll ranting about it to someone, probably several someones, and they'll have some juicy gossip to spill.
She was already tabloid fodder.
I've seen many pictures of Suri online lately--who hasn't--and noticed that she's dressing more age-appropriate. Not fancy stuff, no high heels. Heck, most pics show her in flip-flops.
Good for Katie for getting her girl away from scientology. No idea why she ever married that fool in the first place.
Good for Katie for getting her girl away from scientology. No idea why she ever married that fool in the first place.
Because he's Tom Cruise! Handsome box-office superstar worth hundreds of millions, energetic, drug free, intense, exciting, charming, funny --- and only then do you get to completely crazy. The couch jumping episode occured after Katie had been sucked in, and if you're the girl he's making a fool of himself for, well isn't that even more charming? At first blush it sure seems better than hooking up with a B lister with a drinking problem.
He's so charismatic and sincerely intense about Scientology that he probably had her somewhat sold on it before she could objectively evaluate the level of crazy she was getting into. As I recall, their engagement would've been before the South Park episode (I might be mistaken on that) and of course the stories that came out about Katie having Suri. We're benefitting from all the stories that only made the press because of TomKat. Katie wasn't so fortunate, and so might have had a very naive, vague impression of Scientology as some Hollywood self-help group.
A couple pages back someone linked a long interview with Jason Beghe, who was recovering from the cult. One of the things he emphasized was how very nice, helpful, and sincere the Scientology people were. As he put it, they are great people. They believe the crap with all their hearts, as he once did. Since they believe, they don't trip a recruit's innate lie-detectors.
Since they care and show true empathy (being recruited from Hollywood liberal elites) they don't trigger a lot of red-flags that would normally warn someone that they're getting involved with a nefarious cult made up of brain-washed control freaks.
It took a long time before the suspicions and the unanswerable questions in his head started to congeal, and longer for him to realize that the lies and contradictions he was seeing had to be known to the higher-ups. Then he had to find a safe exit.
It would be great if Katie someday does a similar hour-long expose and explains what she went through. The more people who see it the fewer who will get sucked in.
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