DS9 in 2013
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Actually, he wrote binned as in thrown in the trash can.
FWIW, I think DRGIII is an excellent writer. Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with someone's creative decisions--that says nothing about said writer's talent.
As the great Hitchcock said, "After all...all art is experience. People look at an abstract, and say, 'I hate it!' Well, the mere fact that they're using the word 'hate' means that they're going through an experience, you see."
It would speak more about a writer's alleged lack of talent if one were to say, "The work did nothing for me, emotionally"--that is, they found it dull, boring, etc. But if someone says, "I hated what happened in the book," that means that the writer does have a talent--because he/she stirred emotion from the reader--a negative emotion, but emotion nonetheless.
Here's an example: I most certainly did not care for the creative decision Mike and Andy made in Trill: Unjoined, to show Ezri and Julian's relationship dissolve and fall apart--ending with a break-up. However, that does not mean the story was badly written. In fact, I feel it was very well-written. Mike and Andy together are a powerhouse. Mike by himself, on the other hand...is another matter, I feel.
Now--as for what I'd like to see regarding a DS9 anniversery--something set during the series would be excellent--particularly during the seventh season. Anyone notice that no novels were set during the seventh season? (At least, not that I can recall.)
Also, something that picks up on the cliffhangar of ZSG (assuming DRGIII's new Pact books don't already do that....)
As the great Hitchcock said, "After all...all art is experience. People look at an abstract, and say, 'I hate it!' Well, the mere fact that they're using the word 'hate' means that they're going through an experience, you see."
It would speak more about a writer's alleged lack of talent if one were to say, "The work did nothing for me, emotionally"--that is, they found it dull, boring, etc. But if someone says, "I hated what happened in the book," that means that the writer does have a talent--because he/she stirred emotion from the reader--a negative emotion, but emotion nonetheless.
Here's an example: I most certainly did not care for the creative decision Mike and Andy made in Trill: Unjoined, to show Ezri and Julian's relationship dissolve and fall apart--ending with a break-up. However, that does not mean the story was badly written. In fact, I feel it was very well-written. Mike and Andy together are a powerhouse. Mike by himself, on the other hand...is another matter, I feel.
Now--as for what I'd like to see regarding a DS9 anniversery--something set during the series would be excellent--particularly during the seventh season. Anyone notice that no novels were set during the seventh season? (At least, not that I can recall.)
Also, something that picks up on the cliffhangar of ZSG (assuming DRGIII's new Pact books don't already do that....)
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It's doing well in the forum participant's estimation as well, more so if you consider that one of the "Below Average" votes was an accident (I'll soon add something to filter out known-bogus votes, with a little tooltip or something explaining why the counts differ from the forum and linking to the admission posts).
Technically, the Typhon Pact Era IS 'the jump', because, aside from Ezri, Sam Bowers, and Michaela Leishman, no mention is made of DS9 itself in the Destiny trilogy, which is the first crossover event of the STU's 'present' (the 2380s) and therefore marks the first opportunity for the station and/or its characters to be featured. The first published Typhon Pact novel, Zero Sum Game (which is actually the second TP novel chronologically), is the first post-Destiny novel to feature the station in any significant capacity and/or deal with the characters introduced/featured in the DS9 Relaunch, with the station and/or its characters also featuring or being mentioned in two of the three subsequently published TP novels, Rough Beasts of Empire and Paths of Disharmony (Rough Beasts of Empire, which was published third, is technically the first book to really bring DS9 into the 'present', although it does so in a largely peripheral fashion, but that's really neither here nor there).
Therefore, if you're reading the TP novels chronologically, RBoE marks the first appearance/mention of characters and situations related to the DS9 Relaunch, with Zero Sum Game, Paths of Disharmony, Plagues of Night, and the forthcoming Raise the Dawn escalating the degree with/to which the station and/or its characters are featured, thus making said novels the first opportunity for writers to bring DS9 into 'sync' with the rest of the Pocket TrekLit line.
^Except that Destiny's Aventine crew features several characters from the DS9 post-finale novels, including Ezri Dax, Dr. Simon Tarses, and two characters created for the novels, Sam Bowers and Mikaela Leishman.
If you go back and re-read my post, you'll find that I said everything you just did (although I'd forgotten about Tarses' involvement in Destiny). However, as I noted, the Destiny trilogy doesn't deal with, mention, or even touch on any of the events which the DS9-R had been setting up, whereas Zero Sum Game, Rough Beasts of Empire, and Paths of Disharmony do.
I'm not sure what you're trying to correct me on, all I'm saying is that large gap in the timeline would be a nice subject for a DS9 anthology of short stories. I don't see what the big difference is by saying "the jump to" or calling the Typhon Pact era "the jump." Just seems like unnecessary nitpicking.
^ The first phrasing - 'the jump to' - indicates that you want to see stories set in the period between the end of The Soul Key and the TrekLit 'present' (Destiny and beyond); the second - 'the jump' - implies that there's a distinction between the Typhon Pact Era stories - which constitute DS9's involvement in/emergence into the TrekLit 'present' - and what you'd like to see DS9 stories offer in the coming year.
IOW, there doesn't need to be an anthology of stories to facilitate the jump in time because we're already getting stories that deal with 'the jump'.
I do agree, though, that an anthology of stories would be a great way to 'fill in the gaps' in terms of providing details that we still don't yet have about the 5-year period between the end of The Soul Key and the DS9/DS9-related events that are unfolding or have unfolded in the TrekLit 'present'.
IOW, there doesn't need to be an anthology of stories to facilitate the jump in time because we're already getting stories that deal with 'the jump'.
I do agree, though, that an anthology of stories would be a great way to 'fill in the gaps' in terms of providing details that we still don't yet have about the 5-year period between the end of The Soul Key and the DS9/DS9-related events that are unfolding or have unfolded in the TrekLit 'present'.
You have an odd interpretation of the phrase "the jump." I think when people talk about dealing with the jump, they do mean filling in the period that was jumped over. We're getting stuff that happens after the jump in the Typhon Pact books, but people want to know what happened in the interim, in the span from January 2377 (The Soul Key to February 2381 (RBoE).
^So...are we going to get such stories, in the foreseeable future?
I don't know. And if we are, it won't be announced until the time is right.
Which I think is a wonderful reaction to RBoE. He was going for emotion - you were meant to be bothered by Sisko's decision. DRG was beginning a story, and that had to happen to begin the story. If you weren't bothered, or sad, or upset than he did fail as a writer. So many people equated the decision with him being a bad writer. Have you finished PoN yet?
I disliked Sisko's direction in RBotE as a fan of the character, but I accept it as the beginning of a new arc for the character. I'll accept anything as long as the payoff is satisfying. That's why I stuck with the X-Files all the way through and only allowed myself to be disappointed at the very end.
^That's a nice attitude to hear someone express. I feel the same way, I didn't like what happened to Sisko on an emotional level, but the story was still intellectually stimulating and told what I thought was an entertaining story. Sometimes heroes do the wrong thing, but that doesn't mean that the story that tells about that thing is bad, or that the writer who wrote said story isn't a talented writer.
Don't count anything positive from my comment about Sisko's actions. Rather than interesting or stimulating, they were simply out of character. It was a poor decision on the part of the writer, even though his actually writing was good. Kind of the opposite of Suzanne Collins.
^Well, for me, again, it was Mike and Andy's handling of the Julian/Ezri relationship--not just in Unjoined, but also in their Mission: Gamma book--in which a scene written from Bashir's POV constantly compares Ezri's mannerisms to Jadzia's--"a Jadzia-like smile", etc. (When I read that scene, I heard Ezri's line to Worf in "Strange Bedfellows": "Would you stop comparing me to her!?")
As far as I am concerned, those who think that Julian's relationship with Ezri was just a by-product of his feelings for Jadzia--as seems to be the implication of such throwaway lines--haven't really analyzed, let alone appreciated, the differences regarding how Julian interacts with the two respective Daxes.
But again--that was a creative decision. It does not change the fact that Mike and Andy are a superb writing team, with true talent in the craft. It was, I feel, a mistake--but a well-written mistake.
As far as I am concerned, those who think that Julian's relationship with Ezri was just a by-product of his feelings for Jadzia--as seems to be the implication of such throwaway lines--haven't really analyzed, let alone appreciated, the differences regarding how Julian interacts with the two respective Daxes.
But again--that was a creative decision. It does not change the fact that Mike and Andy are a superb writing team, with true talent in the craft. It was, I feel, a mistake--but a well-written mistake.
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