Star Trek XI - Canon violation by canon violation

[ITL]

...the time Picard said they were at warp 7 but the stars weren't moving.

He did WHAT?!? I'M AS ANGRY AS I'VE EVER BEEN!

 

[serenitytrek1]

Am not sure if this is a canon violation or if this is one of the advantages of having an alternate reality of the same character.

In the prime universe Nimoy’s Spock has completed the kolinahr rituals and is in full control of his emotions and behaves like a full Vulcan. Quinto’s Spock however did not complete the Kolinar discipline and still has all his human qualities..

In the Prime Universe Uhura is a beautiful full figured lady with curves that rivalled beyonce or kim kardashian.

In the 09 film...Uhura is a beautiful skinny size 0.(not an advantage)

 

[BillJ]

In the prime universe Nimoy’s Spock has completed the kolinahr rituals and is in full control of his emotions and behaves like a full Vulcan.

Spock did not complete Kolinahr...

You have not yet attained Kolinahr. He must search elsewhere for his answer. He shall not find it here.

Nor was Spock in full control of his emotions. One just has to watch The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country.

Logic? ...Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.

 

[serenitytrek1]

In the prime universe Nimoy’s Spock has completed the kolinahr rituals and is in full control of his emotions and behaves like a full Vulcan.

Spock did not complete Kolinahr...

You have not yet attained Kolinahr. He must search elsewhere for his answer. He shall not find it here.

Nor was Spock in full control of his emotions. One just has to watch The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country.

Logic? ...Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.

Nu Spock is still more human than Spock Prime

 

[BillJ]

Nu Spock is still more human than Spock Prime

Spock from roughly the same period in the Prime timeline...

 

[T'Girl]

Spock from roughly the same period in the Prime timeline...

Then why don't nuSpock's eyebrows look like that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the Prime Universe Uhura is a beautiful full figured lady with curves that rivalled beyonce or kim kardashian.

In the 09 film...Uhura is a beautiful skinny size 0.(not an advantage)

Irrelevant. The physical characteristic of the character are somewhat mutable since different actors can play the same character. Unless you think Saavik was a shapeshifter.

 

[serenitytrek1]

In the Prime Universe Uhura is a beautiful full figured lady with curves that rivalled beyonce or kim kardashian.

In the 09 film...Uhura is a beautiful skinny size 0.(not an advantage)

Irrelevant. The physical characteristic of the character are somewhat mutable since different actors can play the same character. Unless you think Saavik was a shapeshifter.

Disagree...its so funny how people always talk about the striking resemblance between Mr Nimoy and Zachary Quinto.
Even chris pine looks a bit like William shatner.

 

[F. King Daniel]

In the alternate timeline, a rather odd knock-on effect from the destruction of the USS Kelvin led to Uhura never descovering pop tarts.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the Prime Universe Uhura is a beautiful full figured lady with curves that rivalled beyonce or kim kardashian.

In the 09 film...Uhura is a beautiful skinny size 0.(not an advantage)

Irrelevant. The physical characteristic of the character are somewhat mutable since different actors can play the same character. Unless you think Saavik was a shapeshifter.

Disagree...its so funny how people always talk about the striking resemblance between Mr Nimoy and Zachary Quinto.
Even chris pine looks a bit like William shatner.

Yet others don't look a thing like the previous actors.

Not seeing any real similarity between Shatner and Pine, other than being white males. Just as Alley and Curtis looked nothing alike aside from being white females. And they were playing the same character in the same time frame.

Yeah, Quinto looks enough like Nimoy that there isn't a big disconnect when you see them on screen together. Which was needed since Nimoy was in the film with Quinto.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think they actually did something to Nimoy's nose to make him look more like Quinto, in the scene where the two Spocks spoke at the end.

 

[Sindatur]

It's the same reason why no one (other than a few random Klingon phrases) speaks anything other than English.

No, its not that reason at all because otherwise they would be using earth dating from the start in TOS.
　

It has nothing to do with "humans being part of a multi-species Federation."

In-universe (which is want counts unless there are good reasons to ignore it) that’s certainly a consideration when starting a political Federation.
　


Of course there’s something wrong with it. It shows a lack of understanding of and consideration for the material they are playing with. I couldn’t care less about whether it’s a canon violation or not. My concern is why it was done and whether it makes sense. But the truly silly thing is as I pointed out, I don't see the audience as better off (assuming they caught the point that dates with decimal points are still earth dates). All they need to know is 25 years and 129 years (whatever a year is, which they also don’t need to know).
　


Not all fans obviously. Only those who think Star Trek should still try to make some sort of sense despite the limited demands of fastfilm audiences. And I don't regard JJ Abrams is any sort of antichrist. It’s just that this forms part of his pattern of stripping down Star Trek to its minimum recognisable components.




Except that they all went stark raving mad and among other debaucherous acts decided to adopt an anachronistic dating system that presumably they once had good reasons to abandon. I could be wrong, but I think when the stardate system was changed previously, it was to improve it inline with IU requirements (see below).




Of course, but what is the in universe reason and why would they change (except to make it more comprehensible for them, not us)? The TNG change was a kind of more people than telephone numbers sort of thing (and possibly making it less random and more comprehensible IU), wasn't it?




That tends to suggest there must have been other reasons to change to the TOS system as well as the political ones, otherwise using stardates at that point makes no sense to me, particularly if they were just earthdates.

Also, not an episode, but FASA's RPG manuals used a "reference stardate" system, based on Earth years and months.

Well that would make practical sense for the game players. Not in universe obviously, but as a way to make the game easier, I would guess. On the other hand, the guys who made the change in STXI didn’t seem to realise it was unnecessary from an audience perspective, quite apart from being inexplicable IU.

"I only work in Outerspace, I'm from Iowa" has been interpretted as "Born in Iowa".

If you were born on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean but otherwise grew up in Iowa, where would you say you were from? Being from somewhere could equally mean where you currently live of course, unless someone then presses you for where you were born.

I would say I was from Iowa, where I grew up, or, if, I've been living somewhere else, in adulthood for a long period of time, I may say that's where I'm from, but, I would never say I was from the place I was born, if I never lived there (IE: I was born in a hospital in Oakland, CA, but, never lived there, so, there wouldn't be any circumstances where I would use the phrase "I am from Oakland", though I was born in California and lived most of my life here, so, I would say I was from California)

 

[M'Sharak]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think they actually did something to Nimoy's nose to make him look more like Quinto, in the scene where the two Spocks spoke at the end.

Aaaaaah, the noses! There was someone here a while back who had made all sorts of diagrams "proving" that Quinto totally had the wrong nose to be playing Spock. I think it may have started even before the "Pine's eyes are the wrong color" thing.

Seriously, though - if anything special was done for that scene, I can't recall having read about it. Any obvious nasal differences between the two Spocks would be easily enough explained (to my satisfaction, anyway) by the 129-year difference in their ages.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Spock nose diagrams??

Then again, I'm the guy who did engine room comparisons, so I probably shouldn't judge too harshly....

 

[newtontomato539]

After "The Akiraprise is an Akira" then "The Akiraprise is Not an Akira" diagrams I will believe anything.

I've tried artificial chocolate, etc. The real thing is better.

I prefer the FASA and SFB stardates. The TNG stardates got ridickulous.

The Kelvin is the TOS/TAS tech using modern fx.

Why isn't NuJim having sex with NuNyota's NuRoommate not a canon violation?