Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 1x02 till the bitter end

[JanewayRulz!]

I don't think it means Regina didn't love Henry or that her love was "impure"... I think it just means that the SAVIOR's love was needed to break the curse.

Specifically, the dragon wasn't the only one who held a magical potion deep within. Emma just needed to let Henry all the way into her heart to release it.

Go Henry!

 

[sojourner]

PS, Jefferson was shockingly evil, poisoning Henry like that, just to get back at Regina. I hope they play up his dangerous, demented side next season.

What show were you watching? He never went near Henry.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I don't think it means Regina didn't love Henry or that her love was "impure"... I think it just means that the SAVIOR's love was needed to break the curse.

Specifically, the dragon wasn't the only one who held a magical potion deep within. Emma just needed to let Henry all the way into her heart to release it.

Go Henry!

Dude.

An argument can be made that dragons can exist without magic, or not being magical creatures or that every cell in their bodying is not thriving with magical potential, but it would be a losing argument.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Whoa. The curse over the town wasn't broken by Emma kissing Henry, it was broken because Emma suddenly believed in magic.

Emma kissing Henry only broke the apple-coma curse.

Speculation that a true-love kiss could have broken the entire curse on the town? If so, we should have been speculating that months ago. I don't think it would have worked, because the it was a blanket curse on everyone, everyone would have had to be kissed at once or something.

We know that Mary Margaret and David have true love, and his kiss already broke a curse on her in fairyland. He's kissed her in Storybrooke and nothing happened. So the kissing didn't work on the town-curse.

 

[davejames]

I think it was probably some combination of the two. The people didn't actually start remembering until Emma kissed Henry, but first she had to become a believer for it to have any effect.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Whoa. The curse over the town wasn't broken by Emma kissing Henry, it was broken because Emma suddenly believed in magic.

Hmm? Then why wasn't the curse broken at the beginning of the episode rather than the end?

The logic of Emma believing and the curse being broken were both pretty sketchy and conveeeenient. As was the notion that Emma's kiss was "true love." Motherly love, sure, but since when is that the same as the fairy-tale-kiss kind of love? I'm a purist, dammit! A pre-adolescent boy does not have a true love of that sort. It's not possible - his hormones haven't kicked in yet!

An argument can be made that dragons can exist without magic, or not being magical creatures or that every cell in their bodying is not thriving with magical potential, but it would be a losing argument.

That was pretty sketchy too. Maleficent should have existed in our realm as a large and surly iguana. Okay, how about this: monitor lizard. That could have worked. Those suckers have a nasty, toxic-bacteria ridden bite. Emma would have been running for her life with one of those on her tail.

Jefferson poisoned no one.

He did something in the hospital to cause Henry to go into cardiac arrest. Maybe he pulled out a tube - I wasn't sure what it was - but he was definitely the real cause of Henry dying, even if people don't realize it yet.

Both Regina and Emma need to find out what he did, that he's much more evil than we've been led to believe. Just because Regina screwed him over, he takes it out on an innocent child? Makes me worried for his own daughter.

What exactly is that purple mist going to do, though? Return them to Fairy Tale Land or bring magic to this world?

Bring magic to this world, though with magic back, then the hat trick should be a snap, express train to Fairy Tale Town!

 

[Guy Gardener]

A curse cancelling shock-wave permeated from Emma's lips the second she kissed that boy.

She started believing in magic an hour earlier.

A combination of the two ingredients possibly?

Oh?

If no one knew who they truly were, then they were loving as the wrong people.

But Regina and Henry both knew who they were...

Although?

Henry isn't anyone.

Emma is barely anyone.

And Henry's real father most certainly isn't anyone, unless someone was planted in Emma's drunken teen horny path?

If everyone that belongs in fairytaleland gets dragged back...

Henry won't.

He doesn't belong.

He's at least half human.

 

[sojourner]

Jefferson poisoned no one.

He did something in the hospital to cause Henry to go into cardiac arrest. Maybe he pulled out a tube - I wasn't sure what it was - but he was definitely the real cause of Henry dying, even if people don't realize it yet.

Again, you're on crack. Go watch the episode again. Jefferson let Bell out. That was his plan. To make Gold truly mad at Regina.

 

[JD]

Loved it, this is what I've been wanting since the finale, although I do agree it might have worked better if there was more build up to Emma believing and the breaking of the curse. I don't have a problem with Emma's kiss breaking the whole curse, they kept talking about true love breaking any curse and no love is truer than a mother's love for her child. Sure it's not romantic love, but no one ever said it had to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I remember some sort of wizard warlord sharing a fire with a 10 maybe 12 year old girl and he said that he's looking for a virgin to sacrifice to make some magic spell that will save the dayro destroy the world, fuck details, and she gets a shocked look on her face but he says 'Don't worry, you're too young, it wouldn't count."

Did it have to be Henry?

Could she fall in love with anyone?

Did she have to beleive in magic and fall in love with the person she is about to kiss?

 

[Peacemaker]

We know that Mary Margaret and David have true love, and his kiss already broke a curse on her in fairyland. He's kissed her in Storybrooke and nothing happened. So the kissing didn't work on the town-curse.

I would say the reason that their kissing didn't work is because they were under the power of the curse. So, those under the power of the curse cannot, via any means, abrogate the curse.

Emma was transported in our world but protected from the curse. Henry, her son, would therefore be protected as well, even though he lived in Storybrooke. So, it appears that they either had magic in them already - not the substance that Rumple/Gold poured into the well; rather the magic that could be released through true love's kiss. That magic, I would think, is derived from Snow and her Prince. It's the same magic at work, because it's the magic that led to Emma's birth, and consequently Henry's.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The curse is to never live happily ever-after.

That's a limitation that seriously limits their capacity to love, even if they're too close to the situation that they can't tell that their love potential is significantly inferior to the uncursed... Who they have absolutely no interaction with because no one comes to Storybrooke.

I doubt that they would get things like Titanic or Ross and Rachel.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

That was epic! Roll on next season.

I loved the look on Regina's face when she realised that the curse had been broken, and also the smirk on her face when she saw the magic coming.

Anyone else think the Queen of Hearts could play a big role in next season?

It's gonna be an awkward reunion between Emma, Snow and Charming

 

[davejames]

Jefferson poisoned no one.

He did something in the hospital to cause Henry to go into cardiac arrest. Maybe he pulled out a tube - I wasn't sure what it was - but he was definitely the real cause of Henry dying, even if people don't realize it yet.

Again, you're on crack. Go watch the episode again. Jefferson let Bell out. That was his plan. To make Gold truly mad at Regina.

Actually.... I just watched the episode again and Temis might be right. Not only is there the timing of it all, but Jefferson makes some very dark and suspicious comments about the boy's condition on the way to the cell which suggest he might have something to do with it.

It never even registered the first time I watched it, but now I think there might be something to it...

 

[timothy]

I just gotta say I loved the DRAGON.

 

[Sindatur]

I missed alot of the last third of the episode, because someone interupted me, so, I'll have to watch it again, and pay attnetion to the Jefferson thing Temis hints at.

I thought it was awesome, and though it was a bit rushed, I'm not sure I would want it watered down to two full episodes, maybe only a half hour more would do it jsutice. It is the Season Finale afterall, so you expect it to be jam-packed.

I was very pleasantly surprised that they came clean with the magic straight out of the gate, and Maleficent as the Dragon was a great twist (Love the Hat Horns that were represented by the Dragon's horns).

Really fantastic seeing Jefferson rescuing Belle and sending her to Mr. Gold.

So many questions to think on in between seasons and very anxious to see where they go with Season 2.

Regarding the Queen of Hearts, yea, I suspect there's something big going on there, they deliberately kept her face hidden, for a reason (Maybe because it's someone we know, or will meet soon, or maybe simply because they haven't decided who to cast for the role)

 

[timothy]

So with the curse broken and magic returning , will next season still be in our world?

 

[Sindatur]

So with the curse broken and magic returning , will next season still be in our world?

I suspect, yea, Storybrooke will play a major part in next season, but, with magic, travel to other worlds/lands is now possible.

Everyone has their memories back, but, judging by Regina's dual reactions (Both gleeful and frightened) there is something we're not seeing yet.

Is the curse actually broken, or was there more to it then just the memories being wiped?

The clock appeared to stop again, why would it stop again if the curse was actually broken?

Can they now have their happiness, or will there still be an impediment to it?

Is there really magic everywhere now, or did the magic just breeze through and now it's gone?

 

[trekkiebaggio]

^Yes

Spoiler: Next season

I don't know, ask the writers

I do wonder if the magic is just contained in Storybrooke or if it's in the whole world (which may be how Bae comes into it, if he's somewhere and suddenly senses magic it might prompt him to find the source).

 

[davejames]

So with the curse broken and magic returning , will next season still be in our world?

I'm sure just for budgetary reasons alone it will have to be. I doubt they could afford to do 100% fairy land stories, what with all the CGI and location shooting that's involved.