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When Did "Tips" (Gratuities) Become So High?

They don't WANT to take away the tips and get better wages, though. They do better with the curent tip system. The problem is only brought up so they have a platform to complain from.

They'd just like it so that EVERYONE is a fantastic tipper, so they do even better...

Everyone being a fantastic tipper WOULD be nice, however unrealistic. I would just like if I get run to death to get a decent tip to show their appreciation. Instead I get the "tipping with kindness." A pat on the back, a "Great job, buddy!" and a wadded up two dollars off a fifty dollar check. That's the kind of shit that pisses me off. Sorry, but I checked with MasterCard. They don't except "kindness" as a form of payment.
 
They don't WANT to take away the tips and get better wages, though. They do better with the curent tip system. The problem is only brought up so they have a platform to complain from.

They'd just like it so that EVERYONE is a fantastic tipper, so they do even better...

Further to your point then is that then the bellyaching needs to stop. Take the good with the bad. I'd love to make more money too, but it just ain't in the cards unless I make a change for MYSELF.
 
Bottom line: you get 15% if you do the bare minimum, less if you don't even manage that, and potentially much more if you provide great service.

I think that's pretty fair. I should also note that I include the tax as part of my tip calculation, which is apparently not how it's normally done, so I guess I am leaving a slightly higher tip already (since tax is usually 7%.)

This is the way I do it as well.

I do too. I guess I'm an even more generous tipper than I thought I was. :lol:

They don't WANT to take away the tips and get better wages, though. They do better with the curent tip system. The problem is only brought up so they have a platform to complain from.

They'd just like it so that EVERYONE is a fantastic tipper, so they do even better...

Further to your point then is that then the bellyaching needs to stop. Take the good with the bad. I'd love to make more money too, but it just ain't in the cards unless I make a change for MYSELF.

I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to desire both a living wage for the region as a base pay with the ability to make significantly more in tips.
 
There are plenty of ways to do that. Professionally carrying my drinks in from the guy in the other room that made them shouldn't exactly lead to 'significant' paychecks, however. Enough to get by, if you do it full time, but how valued is that skill past that point?

And suspect that in all but crummy resturants, the average waiter makes more than that. Point at the $2/hour as below living wage, ignore the few hundred dollars they are pulling in for a 4-5 hour shift.

Consistency is the only issue. On a good night, a bartender makes more than I do, and I'm an Electrical Engineer. And a stipper puts us both to shame.

If you don't like the setup, get another job. But for the actual skill/training required, waiting tables pays pretty damned well, all things considered. Otherwise, why would so many people do that job?
 
But for the actual skill/training required, waiting tables pays pretty damned well, all things considered. Otherwise, why would so many people do that job?
I'm an Electrical Engineer as well, but the simple fact is that waiters and bartenders are in significantly higher demand than we are.
 
That must be an american thing, nobody I know who is doing waiting on is living it up, most are also on benefits and tax credits. By Scout's logic, unskilled labourer and cleaners must have pretty cushy numbers..
 
That must be an american thing, nobody I know who is doing waiting on is living it up, most are also on benefits and tax credits. By Scout's logic, unskilled labourer and cleaners must have pretty cushy numbers..
My uncle was a career waiter in a five-star restaurant. He took his job very seriously. The reason people go to restaurants is so they don't have to do the work themselves and will pay for that privelege.
 
That must be an american thing, nobody I know who is doing waiting on is living it up, most are also on benefits and tax credits. By Scout's logic, unskilled labourer and cleaners must have pretty cushy numbers..
My uncle was a career waiter in a five-star restaurant. He took his job very seriously. The reason people go to restaurants is so they don't have to do the work themselves and will pay for that privelege.

But that doesn't translate to the staff being automatically better paid and most people aren't waiting on in fine dining establishments (which generally aren't better paid anyway).
 
That must be an american thing, nobody I know who is doing waiting on is living it up, most are also on benefits and tax credits. By Scout's logic, unskilled labourer and cleaners must have pretty cushy numbers..

Only jobs where tipping is expected. Which is probably every job according to the people who work them.

I've heard tip mechanics, nice idea...they have skill, they are also known to pad the shit out of what they bill you. Tipping them would be foolish. An honest mechanic is about easy to locate as bigfoot.

Hotel/motel maids...awhile back, I read that "a lot of people don't know you are supposed to tip them."

Umm...if you watch them clean...I can see that. If you aren't there. HA! They may spend 3 minutes in your room, leaving money won't necessary get you extra anything...because if a person is tired or feeling lazy, they won't care! Leaving it in the room before you check out...very nice, if you want. But it's unlikely you'll be coming back there or that they'll remember you if you did or even if the person who cleaned your room before will be the person cleans it again and finds the tip. Cleaning for a living sucks, but tipping people for things you cannot see them do is a bit absurd.
 
But for the actual skill/training required, waiting tables pays pretty damned well, all things considered. Otherwise, why would so many people do that job?
I'm an Electrical Engineer as well, but the simple fact is that waiters and bartenders are in significantly higher demand than we are.

And there is significantly more supply as well, enough so that the price is lower.

Plus, you or I could go wait tables tomorrow. Might take a little while to be proficient at it, but you could probably handle it just fine after a few tries. The waiter trying to walk into an engineering job likely won't fare as well...
 
When people thought they should get better tips for Shitty service, it should be Illegal to automatically built it in.
Tips should be earned not expected. Just my 2¢
 
Not saying it's a perfect transfer, just pointing out that the potential pool of applicants for the one is a tad higher than the other, which is part of why they are paid as such...

I mean, there's a bit of personality involved, but at a basic level, it's just:

-ask what I want to drink

-bring it over (if soda/water/coffee), ask the bartender to make it if alcohol.

-Attempt to upsell me on whatever the special appetizer is, then take my food order. If you've got a good memory, that's fine, otherwise please write it down! Not tipping extra for remembering the whole order, and possibly less if you screw it up, so jot down some notes, k?

-Tell the kitchen what I told you about food.

-Wait a few min, refill drinks if needed.

-Carry food back over to me

-Come back a few min later, make sure everything's ok, check drinks

-Maybe drinks again, depending, otherwise clear table, ask about dessert

-Bring check, get change or run credit cards.

While a nice experience is key, it's not so complicated that it should be compensated as some extraordinary service. Yes, it's tiring. Yes, you have to put up with crap customers sometimes. Yeah, on your feet all day. But so's the cashier at Wal-Mart, and sure the waiters don't think they should be paid the same as them...
 
Not saying it's a perfect transfer, just pointing out that the potential pool of applicants for the one is a tad higher than the other, which is part of why they are paid as such...

I know, I was just making a crack about engineers, sorry. :p
 
I got it, was just pointing that out in light of the comments about people not valuing waiters properly, how difficult their job is, etc.

Not saying it's cake, just that it's not exactly rocket science. And there are nights when you make MORE than the rocket scientist, so...
 
I got it, was just pointing that out in light of the comments about people not valuing waiters properly, how difficult their job is, etc.

Not saying it's cake, just that it's not exactly rocket science. And there are nights when you make MORE than the rocket scientist, so...
I know some rocket scientists who would struggle mightily at waiting tables. They are different skillsets.
 
And there are likely waiters that can't do enough math to figure out they didn't get a 20% tip, but it was a general statement rather than a FACT being stated.

The biggest problem the rocket scientist would have is either talking to the women to place their order, or being strong enough to hold a tray with drinks on it :techman:

I'd still feel pretty safe saying I could swap jobs with a waiter tomorrow and outlast them.

But to bring it back on point again, the intention was just to point out that there's a much larger pool of potential waiters, and it doesn't take special training, so the demand (thus, pay) is lower. that's all.
 
And there are likely waiters that can't do enough math to figure out they didn't get a 20% tip, but it was a general statement rather than a FACT being stated.

The biggest problem the rocket scientist would have is either talking to the women to place their order, or being strong enough to hold a tray with drinks on it :techman:

I'd still feel pretty safe saying I could swap jobs with a waiter tomorrow and outlast them.

But to bring it back on point again, the intention was just to point out that there's a much larger pool of potential waiters, and it doesn't take special training, so the demand (thus, pay) is lower. that's all.

Waiting tables isn't the cake walk you seem to think it to be, and that's the problem with customers. They don't appreciate how much work it actually is. Let me break it down for you.

1. Upper body strength. I have to have the ability to repeatedly lift trays of food/bus tubs and carry them to a table (which sounds simple enough. But, nothing is as simple as it seems. I have to wade through dumbasses blocking the aisles, make quick course corrections to avoid ramming into unattended children using the tables/aisles as their own personal playgrounds). Some of these trays/ bus tubs weigh in excess of 70 pounds. You also have trays full of drinks you're trying to pass out to unattentive guests who seem hellbent on trying to make you spill said tray of drinks.

2. Memory. To be a waiter, you have to have an excellent memory. People don't usually ask you for one thing at a time. They ask you for MULTIPLE things (usually with three or four people yelling at you to get them different things at the same time. You are also not the only table I am waiting on. There are also multiple tables full of multiple people demanding various things RIGHT NOW. Also, when I deliver food/drinks, people seem to forget what they ordered. So, I have to keep track of who orders what, because the tables sure as fuck don't remember.

3. Addition/Subtraction skills. In restaurants where you are required to keep your own bank, quick fire addition and subtraction is a must. You have to make change for the $100 bill you were given to pay for the $5 check. Keep in mind, usually all the tables in a given section try to pay all at once, so you could have anywhere from two to seven tables attempting to cash out all at once. Money has to be kept separate or else you're out of you overchange somebody. Also, the customers are not patient with this. They demand their $94.32 change almost instantaneously after giving you the one hundred dollar bill.

4. People skills. So, not only do you have customers who are rude, forgetful, indecisive, and demanding and have to have the strength to carry all their items to tables and remember everything, you're also dealing with the cook line, managers, dish people, and hosts, you also have to keep a positive attitude. This can be hard to do sometimes. You can't get short with anybody, no matter how moronic they may be, or else it affects your wages. One bad table can really screw up a waiter's night. You have to let the bad table slide by or else it'll affect the rest of your night. That's hard to do sometimes, especially if the table is especially scummy. Also, some people like to talk, some customers don't. You have to be able to read people.

Now, I'm not saying waiting is a job that requires any sort of specialization of skills. Possibly anybody COULD do it. I don't presume to be able to do an electrical engineers job, but I know for a fact that an electrical engineer couldn't just start waiting tables at a Denny's and immediately be an excellent server.

Waiting tables isn't the hardest job in the world, but it's also not a frigging cakewalk like some people in this thread would smugly have you believe. And it's those people that make the job the most stressful. But, you get the ones who appreciate the job you do, and that makes waiting tables worth it.
 
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