"That doesn't count!"
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Everything in the "Cage" up to the point the survivors camp disappears. After that, it doesn't count.
Everything counts except odd bits of dialog, e.g. Zefram Cochrane being referred to as "of Alpha Centauri", or the Eugenics Wars being referred to as in the 1990s.
Nothing...it was all a dream of Benny Russell in the looney bin.
I agree with this. I enjoy analyzing Star Trek, and using information from one episode to explain information in another. My problem is when there are direct contradictions that are unable to be rectified. I'm not a huge fan of handwavium. I am perfectly willing to admit that someone screwed up without having to justify the error, and my enjoyment of the episodes will not decrease as a result of that. After all, its a TV show and not a realistic portrayal of the future.
I pretty much count everything that isn't contradicted elsewhere (and where it is, I pick the version I like best
). The exception is the last few episodes of Voyager, particularly the whole C/7 thing. I didn't like much of what happened there at at the end, I don't think it makes sense and didn't fit the characters, and much of it has, fortunately, been pretty much reset by the subsequent novels. Novels are not normally canon for me, but hey, I make an exception here - because I wanna, that's why, and besides with VOY, all we've got are the series and the novels.
). The exception is the last few episodes of Voyager, particularly the whole C/7 thing. I didn't like much of what happened there at at the end, I don't think it makes sense and didn't fit the characters, and much of it has, fortunately, been pretty much reset by the subsequent novels. Novels are not normally canon for me, but hey, I make an exception here - because I wanna, that's why, and besides with VOY, all we've got are the series and the novels.
Why does everyone have such a hard time assuming Picard shaved his head at the time that picture was taken and then grew it back? Of all the various errors and screw-ups, that hardly counts.
But I have to throw my "it doesn't count" vote for the Kelvin's registry. Why couldn't it have just been NCC-514? Was the zero necessary?
It's not really that in my case. I hated TNG: Conspiracy (a trite and clichéd horror movie? In my Trek? More likely than you think!), but it "counts", since its events aren't in conflict with anything else.
On the other hand, Tom Paris going past the Transwarp threshold contradicts known Trek facts and makes no sense (he was "everywhere at once", but not really); and that's just one example from Voyager.
The Voyage Home and the Dei Ex Wormholia are just too stupid.
Why don't they count? How do you know Zef didn't go to live on A Centauri later on? And How do you know that in the Star Trek timeline there were no Eugenics wars?
If you'd actually read what I actually said--I've even bolded part of it for you now--you'd have noticed that I said it it was something I could explain away.
Several fan-produced manuals and blueprints from the 80's gave task-specific ships added registry prefixes, like NCC-S520 or NCC-G2719, stuff like that. So, an O or 0 could mean similar.
And, didn't the Enterprise NX-01 do the zero thing first (in canon), anyway?
Have to agree with you on the Chakotay/Seven romance. I missed most of S7, but did catch the finale. So when they had their little romance scenes, I was like, "What the hell? Where'd that come from?" I have to add that I discount the post-VOY novels (after suffering through the first two). Harry Kim as Security Chief? Please!I pretty much count everything that isn't contradicted elsewhere (and where it is, I pick the version I like best
A three number registry doesn't need a zero in front of it (the Grissom already proved that). But NX-01 sounds better than just NX-1. Similar to how Earth is in Sector 001, and not just Sector 1.
Perphas the prefix '0' on the Kelvin does have another meaning, though I've never read anything that might explain it.
I think it's a case of what we're used to hearing after the fact. Had they gone with NX-1 or Sector 1, however, I doubt we'd have any problem with it.
I like to think it stands for Starship design 05, production number 14.
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My problem is that there have already been a few three digit registry numbers in Trek (like the Grissom in Trek III). So why did they insist on adding a zero in front of the Kelvin's regsitry to make it four digits when there is already precedent for a three digit number?
Indeed, Kelvin is the only Federation starship with a leading zero in its registry (NX-01 is pre-Federation). Abrams and his Cohorts owe us nothing less than a detailed explanation for this blatant disregard of registry number practices which have been maintained for the 42 years of Trek's canon prior to XI.
Next comes this fact:
That still doesn't expain the zero.
All of ENT sans In a Mirror, Darkly, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, Nemesis, and all the post-Nemesis novels.
Personally, I ignore any reference to James Kirk, since it had been established early on that the commander of the USS Enterprise was Christopher Pike. I simply choose to believe that William Shatner replaced Jeffrey Hunter in the role.
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