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Just one month away from 2012's "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"?

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Now let's make defamatory pictures of Yoda to tick off rabid Star Wars fanboys. Skywalker Ranch will be aflame and flowing with blood within twenty-four hours. After all, the militant geeks who are just waiting for an excuse to complain and go on a rampage need to be taught a lesson about tolerance and open-mindedness don't they?
 
R u claming that these 3 guys r fitctional and not real. There r more evidance about jesus existence then Julius Seaser, Alexander the Great and not only from the gospel writers as we have jewish historian and roman pagan historian talking about Jesus and they never clamied that jesus was fictional. That bs in my book. Jesus was a real person and not fitctional. I cant say the same thing regarding Moses and Muhammed. I think we have torah telling Moses story and Muhammed story comes from the Koran and hadiths. Both religious source. But i think all three was real and not fitctional.

historic document about Jesus r dozen more then life of Seaser and Alexander ;) also look up roman historian Taitus, letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan and Jewish historian Josephus. Also critics of Christ in first centuries never question the extiance of Christ at all. So to say Jesus was fitctional dosent hold water.
Whaaa... :wtf:
 
R u claming that these 3 guys r fitctional and not real. There r more evidance about jesus existence then Julius Seaser, Alexander the Great and not only from the gospel writers as we have jewish historian and roman pagan historian talking about Jesus and they never clamied that jesus was fictional. That bs in my book. Jesus was a real person and not fitctional. I cant say the same thing regarding Moses and Muhammed. I think we have torah telling Moses story and Muhammed story comes from the Koran and hadiths. Both religious source. But i think all three was real and not fitctional.

historic document about Jesus r dozen more then life of Seaser and Alexander ;) also look up roman historian Taitus, letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan and Jewish historian Josephus. Also critics of Christ in first centuries never question the extiance of Christ at all. So to say Jesus was fitctional dosent hold water.
Whaaa... :wtf:

It's like a very long text message...
 
I smell bullshit. In what way is a depiction of Mohammed an "offense to violent and tyrannical people"?
I am sure that there are plenty of ordinary and peaceful Muslims who did not like these depictions just as I am sure that there are plenty of ordinary and peaceful Christians who did not like this Monty Python movie.

If you wanna offend violent and tyrannical religious people you target Christians, Muslim or Jewish reactionaries and fundamentalists and not Jesus, Moses or Mohammed. I am a hardcore atheist but I totally fail to see why I should make fun of any of these three fictional guys. It's not like they are some kind of nasty assholes that deserve it. Now if you wanna attack Ratzinger, Pat Robertson, Nasrallah or Chomeini I am all for it ... but insulting religious characters just for the sake of it? Nah, plain dickery isn't what secularism is meant to be about.

R u claming that these 3 guys r fitctional and not real. There r more evidance about jesus existence then Julius Seaser, Alexander the Great and not only from the gospel writers as we have jewish historian and roman pagan historian talking about Jesus and they never clamied that jesus was fictional. That bs in my book. Jesus was a real person and not fitctional. I cant say the same thing regarding Moses and Muhammed. I think we have torah telling Moses story and Muhammed story comes from the Koran and hadiths. Both religious source. But i think all three was real and not fitctional.
Given how little time you invested in your post I will reply the courtesy and also respond just very briefly.
Josephus is not a reliable source, the gospels have been written decades after the supposed death of Jesus and above all, non-theological exegesis is rare. If guys like Robert Eisenmann dare to actually do it (and write frankly unreadable books) they are criticized from all sides. I nonetheless advocate that you do a bit of Eisenmann light and read the gospels with an eye on the names. If you still think afterwards that this is a pure text, unmessed with and written by just one guy you haven't really done it.

Anyway, the historicity of Jesus is irrelevant. I do not care as the ideas of the texts do not hinge upon whether it actually happened or was invented and a Christian does not care as he believes.
 
R u claming that these 3 guys r fitctional and not real. There r more evidance about jesus existence then Julius Seaser, Alexander the Great...

Uh...no. Says who? :lol:
historic document about Jesus r dozen more then life of Seaser and Alexander ;) also look up roman historian Taitus, letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan and Jewish historian Josephus. Also critics of Christ in first centuries never question the extiance of Christ at all. So to say Jesus was fitctional dosent hold water.

None of these are very reliable. All of these people were never alive during the time of Christ. You have simply no reliable contemporary sources. And classical sources that were written several decades after an event can be very unreliable.
 
Now let's make defamatory pictures of Yoda to tick off rabid Star Wars fanboys.

Yoda discovers the dancing games on Kinect Star Wars:

THere was a similar video of Yoda dancing on the bonus DVD that came with the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack album back in 2005. It was pretty bad.

I'm pretty sure that's what that video was. I was just kidding about Yoda being in the Kinect Star Wars dancing games. ;)

This is however:

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The Kinect game itself is actually pretty fun, but temperamental. There are still more than a few bugs and kinks in the gameplay that really should have been worked out in testing before the game hit the market...but if you want to give it a shot and haven't already I think you guys might like it. I'm not much of a Kinect fan, but this game is kind of solid.
 
Yoda discovers the dancing games on Kinect Star Wars:

THere was a similar video of Yoda dancing on the bonus DVD that came with the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack album back in 2005. It was pretty bad.

I'm pretty sure that's what that video was. I was just kidding about Yoda being in the Kinect Star Wars dancing games. ;)

This is however:

han-solo-mynock-kinect-dance.gif

:lol: I haven't watched the Yoda dance video in a while, so my memory's a bit foggy. But damn, Solo!
 
This thread demonstrates there is indeed no possibility of satirizing the Muhammad cartoonists by adding other religious figures. I must repeat however that we all know that insulting other people is a mainstay of humor.

Nor is there any legitimate function for cartoons of Muhammad as defiant stands for freedom of speech, made against threats of violence. Essentially the only people who need to fear such violence are those who offend their co-religionists, not those who promote religious bigotry against other religions. Those other religions are also wrong but the enemy that matters should be the one at hand, threatening you, not someone far off.

Some of the Muslim violence supposedly provoked by mere blasphemies, such as the riots in Afghanistan over the burned Qurans, are merely the politically correct form of resistance to other policies. Afghans who protest the murders of other Afghans by invaders or their drones may be themselves murdered as rebels by the invaders or their puppets. If the survivors accepted the blood money they have forfeited their rights, even if it was only by force of necessity. Yet, officially, the invasion of Afghanistan was not motivated in the least by anti-Muslim bigotry, though no one can honestly say they know why the war continues. Plus, the invaders like to divide to conquer, encouraging not just tribal but sectarian divisions. Thus, they must pretend that they are genuinely accepting of religious grounds for offense. Afghans can express their hatred of the occupation by rioting against the burning of Qurans. Even the puppet government must pretend to have some claim to virtue other than subservience to power. In other cases of course such religious violence is aimed at the same goal as most religious violence, the intimidation and control of the local population, particularly would be secular/democratic/socialist elements.

...obsessive need to try and provoke a negative response from religious people analogous to the very intolerant believers...counter to the point of becoming an atheist in the first place, and "wildly non-humble" itself. Pompous atheists...unfairly give the rest of us a bad name and are an embarrassment, just as pompous and misbehaving religious folk unfairly give their peers a bad name.

The problem with theism is that it's wrong, so utterly wrong that the believers have to reject reason. This kind of critique of religion, that believers are not very nice, is merely snobbery covered with a veneer of principle. It is amazing how often it's some body else's religion that is not nice, but that of our own friends and neighbors and country is really characteristically nice with only a few fringe elements. But it's our supposedly humble and well behaving religious folk who blindly support the Zionist tyranny over the Palestinians, who supported war against Iraq, support war against Afghanistan, support war against Somalia---War against Somalia?!:wtf: A country without a functional state has to have both Ethiopia and Kenya sicced onto it by the US government! I believe only residual Christian bigotry allows such murderous insanity to go unnoticed. The attitude above isn't just snobbery, it's snobbery with violence. The contempt for reason in favor of a parochial and smug self-approval is far, far worse than pomposity.
 
The Kinect game itself is actually pretty fun, but temperamental. There are still more than a few bugs and kinks in the gameplay that really should have been worked out in testing before the game hit the market...but if you want to give it a shot and haven't already I think you guys might like it. I'm not much of a Kinect fan, but this game is kind of solid.

If I wanted to exercise, I wouldn't be playing XBox 360. ;)

Seriously though, we already have Wii (and all the stupid dancing and exercise games), so I just haven't bothered with Kinect yet.

A good Star Wars game where you control the lightsaber with your body movements might have hooked me, but from what I've heard in K:SW you can pretty much flail around like an idiot and the game will still do most of the work of slashing up your opponents for you. I'll wait until there's more finesse with the Kinect sensor/game interface before I get a lightsaber game (which is about the only reason I really care to get one at this point - and to duel people with it).
 
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Sweet Space Buddha...it's a wall of text.

Practically any argument with the words "Zionist," "invaders" and "puppet government" in the same post can be largely dismissed just on those grounds alone. I'll just cautiously back away from your post, wish you well and walk away. Your opinion. You're certainly entitled to it.
 
...obsessive need to try and provoke a negative response from religious people analogous to the very intolerant believers...counter to the point of becoming an atheist in the first place, and "wildly non-humble" itself. Pompous atheists...unfairly give the rest of us a bad name and are an embarrassment, just as pompous and misbehaving religious folk unfairly give their peers a bad name.

The problem with theism is that it's wrong, so utterly wrong that the believers have to reject reason. This kind of critique of religion, that believers are not very nice, is merely snobbery covered with a veneer of principle. It is amazing how often it's some body else's religion that is not nice, but that of our own friends and neighbors and country is really characteristically nice with only a few fringe elements. But it's our supposedly humble and well behaving religious folk who blindly support the Zionist tyranny over the Palestinians, who supported war against Iraq, support war against Afghanistan, support war against Somalia---War against Somalia?!:wtf: A country without a functional state has to have both Ethiopia and Kenya sicced onto it by the US government! I believe only residual Christian bigotry allows such murderous insanity to go unnoticed. The attitude above isn't just snobbery, it's snobbery with violence. The contempt for reason in favor of a parochial and smug self-approval is far, far worse than pomposity.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVHpnixj88[/yt]

:lol: You got all that from my post, huh? Well done. I love you, man, you never fail to bring the insanity.
 
The problem with theism is that it's wrong, so utterly wrong that the believers have to reject reason.
I am an atheist but to claim that believers reject reason is just plain BS.
Of course I understand where you are coming from, the basic enlightenment position, but I am a continental guy and we had Frankfurt school guys like Adorno rightly telling us that the enlightenment lead to democracy and human rights but also to the concentration camp and the gulag.

Given that you are a left-winger I am actually surprised that you do not see the emancipatory strains of the three monotheistic religions, that you do not know that messianic and revolutionary are virtually identical adjectives.
Admittedly these strains are hard to find due the power of the reactionary interpretations of these religions but e.g. Pauline Christianity ("There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ.") provides as far as I know one of the first attempts at universality, i.e. an attempt to create a social sphere for everybody independent of tribal origins, gender or whatever.
Sure, that's not what Christianity is about anymore since the days the Romans perverted it but sometimes you see the repressed truth reemerge, e.g. in leftist struggles like in South America (liberation theology) or in North America (MLK).
 
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Sweet Space Buddha...it's a wall of text.

Practically any argument with the words "Zionist," "invaders" and "puppet government" in the same post can be largely dismissed just on those grounds alone. I'll just cautiously back away from your post, wish you well and walk away. Your opinion. You're certainly entitled to it.
I am a social democrat and I do not agree with the position of socialists or anybody on the left beyond that. Although I rarely agree with the analysis of left-wingers it is usually smarter than that of uninformed, corporate-media consuming centrists.

When you say that arguments can just be dismissed without thinking about them you are playing the implicit censorship card.
By the way, Karzai's government is a puppet government, we brought him into power and helped him to stay in power. Doesn't imply that there is anything bad about it, I merely wanted to say that the word is precise.
OK, sci did want to imply that this is bad which is something I disagree with but I also disagree with your denial of a fact.
 
Uh...no. Says who? :lol:
historic document about Jesus r dozen more then life of Seaser and Alexander ;) also look up roman historian Taitus, letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan and Jewish historian Josephus. Also critics of Christ in first centuries never question the extiance of Christ at all. So to say Jesus was fitctional dosent hold water.

None of these are very reliable. All of these people were never alive during the time of Christ. You have simply no reliable contemporary sources. And classical sources that were written several decades after an event can be very unreliable.

I know there isn't contemporary source during the lifetime of Jesus but we have few decades later so many accounts to least give the benefit of the doubt f.e. it is believed by some scholars that Tactius gained his information about Christ from official records, perhaps actual reports written by Pilate. Tactius is very repected source by historian so i think there is enough evidance that Jesus was real person. That is my 2 cent i wanted commented on. Also this horatio83 clamied that Muhammed was also fitctional:wtf: when his tomb is still in Mecca. Isent this more insulting to muslims then draw Muhammed day could ever be?
 
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