What if TOS met the Borg?

[Emperor Norton]

This is a scenario I've been thinking of ever since the days I played with Star Trek action figures and my TOS and TNG guys crossed paths.

What if the TOS era Federation had run into the Borg? Say Kirk and company, or some other crew, run across them for some reason, and suddenly the Borg know we're here. How well could a TOS era Alpha and Beta quadrant stand up and how would the Borg affect them?

 

[Methos]

they'd get their ass kicked...

The Federation in the TNG Era got their ass handed to them by The Borg... if the Borg came to Kirk era Federation space, i don't think even the full Fed / Vulcan / every other species in that era could stop them from assimalating Earth and any other planet they chose...

I think the appropriate term Kirk would use would be a stream of four letter words lol

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[YARN]

This is a scenario I've been thinking of ever since the days I played with Star Trek action figures and my TOS and TNG guys crossed paths.

What if the TOS era Federation had run into the Borg? Say Kirk and company, or some other crew, run across them for some reason, and suddenly the Borg know we're here. How well could a TOS era Alpha and Beta quadrant stand up and how would the Borg affect them?

Kirk would put the mojo on the Borg Queen and the collective down from within.

Or he'd claim that his ship was made of a magical substance that defeats all enemies and get owned when they called his bluff.

Or McCoy might remind them that they had Kironide and they would defeat the Borg with psychokenesis.

 

[T'Girl]

And who to say that the Borg possessed their 24th century technology in the 23rd century?

 

[Captain Rob]

So would these be 1960's era Borg? Complete with black pants and the prolific black turtleneck with windshield wiper tubing taped all over them. Along with the obligatory white face makeup and blinky lights on their chests.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Could could talk any computer into blowing itself up so all Borg dead in 60 minutes.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Kirk would put the mojo on the Borg Queen and the collective down from within.

You know how the Borg Queen is just a head and shoulders? Ever wonder what happened to her humanoid body?

Kirk wore it out.
That's why there were no Borg invasions in the 23rd century.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

And who to say that the Borg possessed their 24th century technology in the 23rd century?

The Borg would have whatever techology they possessed at the time, they wouldn't be as advanced as TNG era, but would still whoop the UFPs collective asses.

Think of all the poor Redshirts that would be thrown into the meat grinder!



Although somehow ENT-era technology and an incompetant Captain managed to stop 24th century Borg,

 

[The Badger]

'The Squire's Revenge', the opening episode of season four, saw the return of an old foe and the introduction of a new one. William Campbell's Squire Trelane, claiming "no hard feelings" after his last encounter with Kirk, offers to help the the Enterprise on it's mission of exploration.

Needless to say the mischievous Trelane can not be trusted, and soon he transports the ship to a distant part of the galaxy. Here the crew encounter a strange race, part biological, part mechanical, called the Borg. Possessing highly advanced technology, they are a most formidable threat, and the Enterprise only escapes after Kirk swallows his pride and asks Trelane for help.

The Borg were to return in the final episode of the season, 'The Best Of Both Worlds, Part One.' With the assistance of Commander Shelby, an old girlfriend of Kirk's, the crew investigate evidence of a Borg incursion into Federation space. The episode ended on a cliffhanger, Kirk captured by the Borg and turned into one of them, now in command of their ship. Scotty and Shelby, having developed a possible new weapon, looking on in shock as Spock gives the order "Mr. Chekov. Fire!"

 

[47]

In the TOS era the Borg are still disorganized marauders. But during their encounter with the Enterprise, Spock mind melds with a female drone and teaches her organization and hierarchy (although it was not his objective).

The Borg are never the same after the drone assumes power on the newly formed Collective, built upon what she learned from Spock's most logical mind...

 

[Anwar]

It would probably happen the same way it did in BOBW, except instead of Data hacking into Picard's Borg implants to access the Collective it's Spock Mind-melding with Kirk's human brain to access the Collective.

 

[bbailey861]

I tend to think the Borg would have handed the Federation its head on a plate. I have no doubt that writers of that era would have found a way to defeat the Borg, but I don't think it would have played as well as things worked out having the Borg introduced with TNG. It probably would have been too neat.

The whole Q intoducing Picard et al to the Borg and later having Locutus of Borg as a character were, IMHO, masterful strokes of genius. I don't know, I just don't see it having the same impact with the TOS crew.

 

[Emperor Norton]

I'm speaking more from an in universe angle: not 'what if the 60s show had thought up and introduced the Borg' but 'what if the TOS era of the Star Trek Universe had run into the Borg'. While you're free to discuss the former, I intended the latter.

I would tend to agree with the idea that the Borg would whoop the UFP and assorted nations of the galaxy, or at least cause for more hurt than it did by TNG. TNG had advanced a full centuries worth before it dealt with the Borg, and even with all its advancements, still was given a run for its money. In TOS, there are no quantum torpedoes nor Galaxy class starships. The forefront of the Federation's fleet is the Constitution class. The most powerful class is likely the Federation class Dreadnaught. And Starfleet, at most, has maybe under 10k ships in this era. The threat of the Borg may push the UFP and other nations into high gear to mass produce, and mass produce the biggest, strongest ships they can, but even then, it may be too late. Though in the TOS Starfleet's favor, it is still on alert because of galactic tensions with the Klingons and Romulans, so it may be more on the ball than the TNG era. By TNG, things were more peaceful. The Romulans had retreated back into their space, and the Klingons were allies. The Cardassian war was fought and was now over.

I think the Borg would leave the core space area of Star Trek bad off. Maybe a bunch of worlds assimilated, a bunch destroyed because they were assimilated, and if the powers survive, they will do so after being heavily brutalized. The Borg might unite the galaxy because of the need to fight against them.

 

[Yevetha]

Did they ever meet in the books?

 

[Emperor Norton]

Perhaps the only one was one of the Manga stories, where it was the set up to the creation of the Borg.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Did they ever meet in the books?

Not in the TOS timeline. But, in the STXI one, a Borg scout was acting very strangely in the Starfleet Academy YA novel The Delta Anomaly.

 

[The Badger]

...I would tend to agree with the idea that the Borg would whoop the UFP and assorted nations of the galaxy, or at least cause for more hurt than it did by TNG. TNG had advanced a full centuries worth before it dealt with the Borg, and even with all its advancements, still was given a run for its money. In TOS, there are no quantum torpedoes nor Galaxy class starships. The forefront of the Federation's fleet is the Constitution class....

In their initial appearance, the Borg were specifically stated as being only interested in technology. The life forms who created and used that technology were of no interest to them whatsoever. Of course, all that changed over time as they mutated into a Trek equivalent of Doctor Who's Cybermen (and isn't it curious that the Borg's first appearance was in an episode entitled 'Q Who?'?), but if we take their initial motivation into account, I think it entirely plausible that the Borg would simply leave the UFP alone in the TOS era. The technology might not be sufficiently high to gain their notice.

 

[plynch]

So would these be 1960's era Borg? Complete with black pants and the prolific black turtleneck with windshield wiper tubing taped all over them. Along with the obligatory white face makeup and blinky lights on their chests.

BWAhahah

PLEASE can that be the ONE lost episode somebody finds in some film archive? Just one. It would be GLOrious!

 

[nightwind1]

If Kirk met the Borg, he would simply trap them in a logic-loop until smoke ran out of all their ears and they shut down (or blew up in a shower of sparks).

 

[Methos]

yes, because the Borg in Voyager were oh so logical lol

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