Will 2012 be an incredibly cynical election?

[Awesome Possum]

Nah. I'm done feeding you. Do some damned research.

But that might create new ideas and changed opinions. It's better to remain in blissful ignorance and act like its the fault of everyone else.

I don't know why he's trying to debate though, he's clearly made up his mind and refuses to even glance at anything that might change his opinion. It's a common tactic shown by all fanatics, Kirk Cameron for an example. A man considered by many to be a complete idiot. He and Yevy would get along well.

 

[nightwind1]

Just put it up on youtube and i will watch it.

Seriously legislation does not necessarily equal actual results.

So gay peole are still not allowed to be openly gay in the military and children are still being denied coverage despite legislation being passed?

Bush was probably for these things more or less. Probably afraid of ending Don't ask Don't Tell because of his base.

horatio posted:

I'd like to say two things about this. First, drug policy is hardly on anybody's agenda during the worst depression since the thirties. Second, it would take anybody with some basic knowledge about economics ten minutes to expose Paul's Austrian economics 'back to gold' nonsense as intellectual fraud and highly dangerous if it were actually implemented.
Let me try to do it in one. Because no central bank can control the price of gold as well like it can control the price of fiat money and because a hard money, 100% reserve system converts banks into big safes and eliminates loans. Good luck financing something like a house or an education via emitting bonds as John Doe, good luck financing a small-scale one til ten man enterprise via emitting bonds.

Once the gold libertarians can explain how an economy without loans does not destroy the financeability of many efficient investment projects I will take them seriously.

I think he wants to go back to the gold standard via presidential order or anything like that so no reason to worry.
Squiggy posted:

I'm sorry, I'm not going to do all the work for you.

You asked a question, you got an answer. Man the fuck up and read.
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I only get answers by clicking instead of these things being under eachother. Don't be lazy, write down his accoplishments. Don't worry, its not a long list.

Here's a LLOOONNGG list that you DON'T have to click. It's all right there on just ONE page. No muss, no fuss. Just read the list.

Then get back to us and apologize.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

 

[BillJ]

What kind of welfare state are they running in Romania where clicking a mouse is considered too much work?

 

[Squiggy]

Nah. I'm done feeding you. Do some damned research.

But that might create new ideas and changed opinions. It's better to remain in blissful ignorance and act like its the fault of everyone else.

I don't know why he's trying to debate though, he's clearly made up his mind and refuses to even glance at anything that might change his opinion. It's a common tactic shown by all fanatics, Kirk Cameron for an example. A man considered by many to be a complete idiot. He and Yevy would get along well.

Bananas were made by God to fit into a man's hand. YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!

 

[Awesome Possum]

What kind of welfare state are they running in Romania where clicking a mouse is considered too much work?

They're only allowed so much bandwidth. This is due to their war against Dracula.

 

[horatio83]

So gay peole are still not allowed to be openly gay in the military and children are still being denied coverage despite legislation being passed?

Bush was probably for these things more or less. Probably afraid of ending Don't ask Don't Tell because of his base.

horatio posted:
I think he wants to go back to the gold standard via presidential order or anything like that so no reason to worry.
Squiggy posted:

I'm sorry, I'm not going to do all the work for you.

You asked a question, you got an answer. Man the fuck up and read.
___________

I only get answers by clicking instead of these things being under eachother. Don't be lazy, write down his accoplishments. Don't worry, its not a long list.

Here's a LLOOONNGG list that you DON'T have to click. It's all right there on just ONE page. No muss, no fuss. Just read the list.

Then get back to us and apologize.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

I am a progressive and disguested that whoever wrote this list tries to pretend that Obama has done enough deficit spending or prevented that another financial meltdown could happen. It is simply wrong.
Anybody who is not aware of the influence of G&S upon both major parties and anybody who does not care about fixing the structural problems of corporate influence upon government is not a progressive, hell, he isn't even a democrat. He is just a dumb party soldier.

 

[nightwind1]

Bush was probably for these things more or less. Probably afraid of ending Don't ask Don't Tell because of his base.

horatio posted:
I think he wants to go back to the gold standard via presidential order or anything like that so no reason to worry.
Squiggy posted:
I only get answers by clicking instead of these things being under eachother. Don't be lazy, write down his accoplishments. Don't worry, its not a long list.

Here's a LLOOONNGG list that you DON'T have to click. It's all right there on just ONE page. No muss, no fuss. Just read the list.

Then get back to us and apologize.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

I am a progressive and disguested that whoever wrote this list tries to pretend that Obama has done enough deficit spending or prevented that another financial meltdown could happen. It is simply wrong.
Anybody who is not aware of the influence of G&S upon both major parties and anybody who does not care about fixing the structural problems of corporate influence upon government is not a progressive, hell, he isn't even a democrat. He is just a dumb party soldier.

So getting hundreds of things accomplished don't count for anything? He ONLY should have focused on the deficit and NOTHING ELSE?

By the way, I am a Democrat, but NOT a "dumb party soldier". But thanks for calling me one. Kind of shows what kind of person YOU are.

 

[horatio83]

I said deficit spending, not deficit.
Discussing with somebody who cannot distinguish between short-run deficit spending (which is necessary when you are stuck in a liquidity trap) and caring about keeping public debt on manageable levels in the long-run is pointless.
Go on and play your "my guy scored XYZ" game but don't complain when somebody points out that politics is supposed to be about issues, not people.

If you seriously think that there is nothing wrong with a presidency under which executive killings have been legalized, Gitmo has not been closed and drone attacks have wreaked havoc in West Pakistan I cannot help you. By the way, I would most likely vote for Obama if I were an American citizen. Doesn't mean that I can pretend that the above mentioned things have not happened or that the administration has actually done anything to prevent another financial crisis. Why should they, the folks who paid for them are not interested in that.

 

[{ Emilia }]

If you seriously think that there is nothing wrong with a presidency under which executive killings have been legalized, Gitmo has not been closed and drone attacks have wreaked havoc in West Pakistan I cannot help you.

1) You've listed these things about 200 times now. We get it.

2) The question is: What's the alternative? Do you think Romney would be any better? I doubt it.

3) Your condescending tone isn't doing your cause any favours.

4) Noam Chomsky called and asked me to tell you not to just call him a "libertarian" because that makes it look like he's in the same category as that libertard Ron Paul. Chomsky is a leftist libertarian. Call it libertarian socialism if you want but not just "libertarian". Libertarianism means too many different things at the moment.

 

[nightwind1]

If you seriously think that there is nothing wrong with a presidency under which executive killings have been legalized, Gitmo has not been closed and drone attacks have wreaked havoc in West Pakistan I cannot help you. By the way, I would most likely vote for Obama if I were an American citizen. Doesn't mean that I can pretend that the above mentioned things have not happened or that the administration has actually done anything to prevent another financial crisis. Why should they, the folks who paid for them are not interested in that.

The reasons Guantanemo Bay hasn't been closed isn't for lack of the President. It's because of Republican blockage of any attempt to close it. So it can't be laid at the foot of the President. He can't override Congress, and the Repubtards had enough to block him.

And nearly EVERY government in the world that spends has deficit spending.

Try again.

 

[Davros]

If you seriously think that there is nothing wrong with a presidency under which executive killings have been legalized, Gitmo has not been closed and drone attacks have wreaked havoc in West Pakistan I cannot help you.

Obama tried to close GITMO, but Republicans in congress blocked funding to do so.

 

[cooleddie74]

I would love to see him debate marihuana legalisation or foreign policy with Obama. He has the best chance beating him and he could actually get dem voters on his side or make them stay away from Obama by edposing him as a fraud.

Wait...loving to see Paul debate Obama is one thing. I'd like to see it too, and not for the reasons you probably have. But saying "he has the best chance of beating him"? What parallel, Bizzaro universe planet do you live on? Newt Gingrich would have a better chance in the electoral college than Ron Paul. Heck, a trained circus seal would probably do better. God bless you, but you have little or no grasp of American politics if you seriously think that clown Paul has any realistic shot at the White House given his gut-everything, blame-America-first and let-the-mullahs-get-the-bomb platform that appeals only to the naive, uninformed and congenital morons. Read up more on what he really stands for and his connections to racist groups and I doubt you'd be so gung-ho about him.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I would love to see him debate marihuana legalisation or foreign policy with Obama. He has the best chance beating him and he could actually get dem voters on his side or make them stay away from Obama by edposing him as a fraud.

Wait...loving to see Paul debate Obama is one thing. I'd like to see it too, and not for the reasons you probably have. But saying "he has the best chance of beating him"? What parallel, Bizzaro universe planet do you live on? Newt Gingrich would have a better chance in the electoral college than Ron Paul. Heck, a trained circus seal would probably do better. God bless you, but you have little or no grasp of American politics if you seriously think that that assclown Paul has any realistic shot at the White House given his gut-everything, blame-America-first and let-the-mullahs-get-the-bomb platform that appeals only to the naive, uninformed and congenital morons. Read up more on what he really stands for and his connections to racist groups and I doubt you'd be so gung-ho about him.

If Paul actually had a chance at winning, he'd be winning. This need for conspiracy theories about media blackouts is delusional. The only people who can't stand Paul more than Democrats is the Republicans. He doesn't have a chance against Mitt Romney, the most boring man in recorded history. Obama wouldn't even need to run ads to beat him if he ran against Paul.

 

[cooleddie74]

Barack Obama could be in a long-term coma after having ten extramarital affairs and beating a puppy to death with a shovel and still beat Ron Paul in a landslide. That's a given. Hell, Yevvy could beat Ron Paul and the man's not even an American citizen.

 

[Avon]

i think romanian politics sounds more interesting than the entirety of ron paul. who reckons President Basescu's on the way out?

 

[Count Zero]

I think it's the Prime Minister who's the head of government in Romania while the President is just the head of state.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nerys posted:

You're almost as obsessed with Bzerzinski as you are with Ron Paul.

Is there something you can point to that identifies Bzerzinski as the mastermind behind Obama's foreign policy?
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He was his campaing advisor.

So, do you have anything more recent and involved with the administration rather than the 2008 campaign?

 

[cooleddie74]

Paul is also popular with independents because of his foreign policy views.

No.

He is not. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Hound of UIster]

Internet.

Where do you think?

There really isn't a large contingent of Ron Paul supporters in E. EUROPE despite what some people would like us to think!

 

[cooleddie74]

His Internet sources are more dubious than getting medical transplant organs from a guy in an alley wearing dark glasses and a trenchcoat. Sheeeeesh.