Will 2012 be an incredibly cynical election?

[Yevetha]

In my opinion.
Unless by some miracle Ron Paul is the nominee this is going to be dull with low voter turnout. Lets not forget with CU rules gone negative ads will be dropped a day before the election. The american people once again like during Nixons time will be able to see what scumbags their politicians reqally are, this time on both sides.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

Nice quote from Jefferson.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Unless by some miracle Ron Paul is the nominee this is going to be dull with low voter turnout.

Wait - what?

Are you saying that a Paul Republican nomination would make it an election with high voter turnout? Because, I really doubt that, unless you are referring exclusively to Obama voters.

 

[Yevetha]

I dont know how it would effect turnout but it would be interesting to see him vs Obama.

A lot of dems wont show up even if Obama is running against Satan himself, not Paul.

 

[Lindley]

A lot of dems wont show up even if Obama is running against Satan himself, not Paul.

I think you're wrong about that. Yes, Obama is seen as a disappointment by some on the far left, but he's still far less scary to that group than the alternative. And most moderate democrats have little reason to complain.

 

[BillJ]

The entire process is cynical. 2012 will be pretty much like every other election I've voted in since 1992.

 

[Yevetha]

I think you're wrong about that. Yes, Obama is seen as a disappointment by some on the far left, but he's still far less scary to that group than the alternative. And most moderate democrats have little reason to complain.

You mean Romney scares liberals, you got to be kidding. He might be more lib then Obama on some things.

And most moderate democrats have little reason to complain.

Infringment on civil liberties, FED secrecy, War in Afghanistn, not legaalising pot, Bailouts with no obligations on the reciving end, not firing the managment of failed banks, Lybia is a mess.

Do i need to go on?

The entire process is cynical. 2012 will be pretty much like every other election I've voted in since 1992.

The average voter aint no newsjunkie, it takes time for him to be really disgusted.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

not legaalising pot

Yeah, us liberals - we love to smoke killer weed.

No seriously, care to dig up some numbers for just how many votes The Man is costing himself for turning his back on Mary Jane? And, additionally, how many he'd lose if he pushed for it?

 

[Yevetha]

Are there numbers for potential voters? Does anybody do polls like that?

 

[Lindley]

I think you're wrong about that. Yes, Obama is seen as a disappointment by some on the far left, but he's still far less scary to that group than the alternative. And most moderate democrats have little reason to complain.

You mean Romney scares liberals, you got to be kidding. He might be more lib then Obama on some things.

Romney doesn't actually have any positions on anything. He will do whatever is politically convenient. Until the far right is pushed back out of the mainstream, that is not the sort of person you want riding herd.

The only Republican candidate I might have voted for over Obama was Huntsman, and he's long gone.

Infringment on civil liberties, FED secrecy, War in Afghanistn,

? I'm not sure what specifically I'm supposed to be so outraged about on these, that can be directly attributed to Obama.

not legaalising pot,

Why would this be a federal matter? Anyway, California tried and it didn't pass as I recall.

Bailouts with no obligations on the reciving end,

A policy which, while imperfect, appears to have served its purpose. Also one initiated by Bush Jr, by the way.

not firing the managment of failed banks,

The possibility of the government being able to fire people in private corporations is a tricky one and not something I can weigh in on without careful thought.

Lybia is a mess.

Less of a mess than Syria, lately. But it does bear watching.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Are there numbers for potential voters? Does anybody do polls like that?

Let me put it this way. Claims without supporting data I, too, can make up all day. Is there anything more substantive to see here?

 

[zephramc]

Are there numbers for potential voters? Does anybody do polls like that?

For the most part, polling numbers don't mean sh#t this far out. Back in 1980, at around the same time (April-ish) most polls had Carter at a 10 point advantage over Reagan. Again in 1984, the polls went back and forth with Reagan over Mondale by a few points then Mondale over Reagan by a few. In 1992, with Bush/Clinton/Perot, Perot was actually ahead in a number of statewide polls in April-May. In 1996 Clinton and Dole duked it out, with some polls showing Clinton as the winner, others showing Dole.

I think the only polls that were reflective of the actual election was in 2004 (Bush/Kerry).

I'm not sure who will win this November. I will say that I think this election will be very close and November 6 will end up being a very long and sleepless night for both President Obama and Gov. Romney.

 

[Yevetha]

qoutes from Lindley:

Romney doesn't actually have any positions on anything. He will do whatever is politically convenient. Until the far right is pushed back out of the mainstream, that is not the sort of person you want riding herd.

The only Republican candidate I might have voted for over Obama was Huntsman, and he's long gone.

Aside from the social stuff and FP whats so extreme about them?

? I'm not sure what specifically I'm supposed to be so outraged about on these, that can be directly attributed to Obama.

He did not push for a FEd audit( he promised transparency), he could have pushed for a quick cut and runf from Astan, he could had vetoed the renewal of the patriot act and adress the nation on tv or the net about it.

A policy which, while imperfect, appears to have served its purpose. Also one initiated by Bush Jr, by the way.

He could had let them fail or do what the swedes did take them over and resell them when they are healthy again. That would had meant that the criminals would had been punshed.

The possibility of the government being able to fire people in private corporations is a tricky one and not something I can weigh in on without careful thought.

Simple, if Goldman or City want the bailout they should fire the Ceo and some head honchos.

Less of a mess than Syria, lately. But it does bear watching.
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Obama is making it worse by waging a proxy war with the russians there.

Why would this be a federal matter? Anyway, California tried and it didn't pass as I recall.

It would be a boost for the cause if he would publicly support it.

 

[Misfit Toy]

In my opinion.
Unless by some miracle Ron Paul is the nominee this is going to be dull with low voter turnout. Lets not forget with CU rules gone negative ads will be dropped a day before the election. The american people once again like during Nixons time will be able to see what scumbags their politicians reqally are, this time on both sides.

Is there a 2012 election in Romania?

 

[Yevetha]

Stop playing dumb, it is unbecoming of a moderator.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Stop playing dumb, it is unbecoming of a moderator.

Is there a 2012 election in Romania? If so, are the politicians scum? Are Romanian voters more likely to turn out if a candidate is black?

 

[nightwind1]

Stop playing dumb, it is unbecoming of a moderator.

He's not. For someone who isn't even American, you sure take a mighty strong interest in our politics (on the wrong side, no less).

 

[auntiehill]

You know, technically, an election can't be cynical. It's an event, not a person, and therefore can't have the characteristics of a cynic.


And.....why DO you care about American elections at all? Are you just trolling to see if you can wind people up? It's really tiresome.

 

[BillJ]

The average voter aint no newsjunkie, it takes time for him to be really disgusted.

The next presidential election cycle begins the day after the last one is over and really begins to ramp up 18-24 months before the election.

The average voter has had plenty of time to be disgusted. Try not to talk with authority about a group of voters and an election cycle you know absolutely nothing about.

By the by, American politics doesn't have a monopoly on scumbag politicians.

 

[BillJ]

Stop playing dumb, it is unbecoming of a moderator.

He's not. For someone who isn't even American, you sure take a mighty strong interest in our politics (on the wrong side, no less).

There is no "wrong" side just people of poor character on both sides.