Ship in a Bottle questions

[trekfan_1]

A couple things confused me about this episode. First off when Picard, Data and Barclay were in Moriarty's program and they used the fake transporter to beam the chair off the grid, why didn't the simulated transporter at the very least show a time log for the attempt as part of the simulation to throw off Data? I understand it had no real data to show complete readings as it was a procedure never before attempted but Moriarty's holodeck could of easily
"simulated" the fake transprter to show fake data.

Also at the end of the episode Picard said they managed to "reprogram the holodeck within the holodeck" in order to trick Moriarty into releasing computer control. But how exacty did they do that if they were still locked within Moriarty's program at the time without computer control? How did they cut through Moriarty's program to tangibly access the 'real" holdeck's control panel?

I noticed Moriarty was in his quarters (within his own program) when he was speaking to the real Riker on the bridge so I always assumed he was also capable of monitoring Picard's movements (maybe through a view screen or something) and he surely would of been aware of any tampering attempt with the real holodeck by Picard and company.

 

[Finn]

Plot

 

[Darrell Pitt]

A couple things confused me about this episode. First off when Picard, Data and Barclay were in Moriarty's program and they used the fake transporter to beam the chair off the grid, why didn't the simulated transporter at the very least show a time log for the attempt as part of the simulation to throw off Data? I understand it had no real data to show complete readings as it was a procedure never before attempted but Moriarty's holodeck could of easily
"simulated" the fake transprter to show fake data.

Also at the end of the episode Picard said they managed to "reprogram the holodeck within the holodeck" in order to trick Moriarty into releasing computer control. But how exacty did they do that if they were still locked within Moriarty's program at the time without computer control? How did they cut through Moriarty's program to tangibly access the 'real" holdeck's control panel?

I noticed Moriarty was in his quarters (within his own program) when he was speaking to the real Riker on the bridge so I always assumed he was also capable of monitoring Picard's movements (maybe through a view screen or something) and he surely would of been aware of any tampering attempt with the real holodeck by Picard and company.

I'd like to give you and answer...but I'll have to rewatch the episode first. Suffice to say, I rather like this episode. Moriarty has always been an interesting character.

Of course, there's always the age old issue of problems with the holodeck. The damn thing goes offline you'd never get me to walk in the door!!!

 

[Darrell Pitt]

A couple things confused me about this episode. First off when Picard, Data and Barclay were in Moriarty's program and they used the fake transporter to beam the chair off the grid, why didn't the simulated transporter at the very least show a time log for the attempt as part of the simulation to throw off Data? - Possibly it did, but we were not privy to seeing that information.

I understand it had no real data to show complete readings as it was a procedure never before attempted but Moriarty's holodeck could of easily
"simulated" the fake transprter to show fake data. - If Moriarty did that, it would have supplied false infomation to Data and the others. Probably no information would have been better than incorrect information.

Also at the end of the episode Picard said they managed to "reprogram the holodeck within the holodeck" in order to trick Moriarty into releasing computer control. But how exacty did they do that if they were still locked within Moriarty's program at the time without computer control? How did they cut through Moriarty's program to tangibly access the 'real" holdeck's control panel? - The holodeck is a room just like any other with length and width and height. when a person moves about in it, I'm sure they spend a lot of time walking around in circles. Once Data threw an object at the wall, they were probably able to determine where the access panel was located.

I noticed Moriarty was in his quarters (within his own program) when he was speaking to the real Riker on the bridge so I always assumed he was also capable of monitoring Picard's movements (maybe through a view screen or something) and he surely would of been aware of any tampering attempt with the real holodeck by Picard and company.

Okay, all I can say regarding your last point is that he had his viewscreen off. Not much of an explanation, but there you go.

Nice seeing this episode again. I've been rewatching a few of the next gen episodes. Very satisfying!

 

[Timo]

How did they cut through Moriarty's program to tangibly access the 'real" holdeck's control panel?

Would they need to access that? They could have created the nested programs by using the virtual holodeck created by Moriarty. It's not as if Moriarty shut them off the virtual features - they could still operate the "doors" and "turbolifts" of the simulation, by Moriarty's design, because the villain wanted the heroes to think they were aboard an operational starship. And the virtual holodeck could have been every bit as complex and potent as the real one within which it operated.

Moriarty was able to fool two people experienced in holodeck matters, apparently simply by using standard holodeck resources; the two might in turn have returned the favor by using the very same resources, only in virtual form. Moriarty's ability to "feel" or "read" his environment was not indicated to be "supernatural" or beyond the human/android norm - he merely knew beforehand that there were two realities to cope with, and apparently used a virtual communications system to access the real one in order to communicate between the two realities. He didn't really explicitly demonstrate omniscience over either the real starship or his own virtual version of it, and indeed seemed not to have overheard several of our heroes' discussions.

Timo Saloniemi