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The third season of Voyager kicks heavy duty ass

Well, everybody's allowed to have their own opinions without being labeled as this or that.

Personally I'm very fond of seasons 1,2 and 3 of Voyager.

As for worst seasons, I think season 6 seems to be the worst one. I haven't watched season 7 (only "Endgame") but what I've found out, it wasn't that good either.
 
You haven't watched it?

Where is the fainting emoticon..

Really, you've already experienced the Kes-less hell that is seasons 4, 5, and 6. Why not suck it up and be a completist.
 
Everyone is entitled to an opinion they can defend.

'Mercy-opinions' make me sick.

So right now I'm watching Veronica's Closet and i'm thinking Savvik is the product of rape and Costello (Christopher MacDonald is playing her cheating husband) was probably raped to death when he told the prison camp commandant that Yar was his girl he wasn't willing to share.
 
Mercy was awful.

I got 5 episodes into it had to abandon ship.

I always meant to get back to it after the bugger was cancelled.

Mercy-opinions?

When an old person says something racist and you let it slide because they're gonna die soon, or a Christian talks about the bible like it not less real than Harry Potter, or you let an idiot say things that don't make sense becuase you want to see them naked again.

Mercy Opinoons, also sometimes called pityopions.

There's this line from The New adventures of old Chrintine by her brother who just found himself living with a very very beautiful flatmate of the opposite sex who is also very bossy and controlling...

"YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO unless you're sleeping with me... Do you want to sleep with me?"

'No."

"Good, then I stand adamantly behind my original point, you can't tell me what to do."

OH!

You're watching Mercy becuase Kathryn's on a deep cover mission for Temporal Affairs?
 
I'm watching Mercy because a drinking, smoking, older Mulgrew is the essence of hotness. Poor YWF he will need an ambulance if he reads that.

As to the mercy-opinions confrontation gets wearying even for me.
 
Except it wasn't fine, it didn't really have any proper connection to TOS. I mean Janeway goes in Tuvok's brain and then Sulu can see her and she's all shocked......like why? Its all just technobabble mind-meld nonsense taking place in Tuvok's brain! And the whole plot revolves around some alien parasite? WTF. That's just *bad*

Again, what's your point?
Also, Janeway to my knowledge did not prior to this particular episode engage in a mind-meld, and she certainly didn't know that the memories would become disorganized, so her shock (while perhaps admittedly a bit an overreaction) is more or less understandable.
And as for the parasite... well, it was a way to get us to see what Tuvok's early years were like.
Also, I take it you skipped the part where he talked about his disdain for Humans and SF as a whole?

"False Profits" is supposed to be a comedic episode - it wasn't funny so it failed.

Who says it was supposed to be funny in the first place?
I'm sorry, but the only thing I get from you is an attempt to superimpose your perception as a rule.

Aliens of the week are fine if they're involved in some plot or issue........but faceless aliens that present a "threat" to the crew, how bland! The B plot did redeem it somewhat however.

Bland in your perception. They revealed their 'faces' literally to Tom and Torres after all just before shooting them, and I thought that because they were a practical unknown was what made them interesting.

What on earth are you talking about? The whole civil war was meant to be a comprehensible and extremely simplified representation of the war the Q were fighting - it wasn't an actual war. But then at the end we get Tom putting a gun to a Q and the Q surrenders. That's just obviously ridiculous. You can't say what you're seeing is simply a very simple representation of a war going on between the Q.....and then at the end of the episode drop that and have a standoff between our human characters and the Q. Its incongruous, illogical and sloppily written.

Let's see... it was a civil way and yet it wasn't a war.
Make up your mind, will you?
Tom putting a gun to the opposition leaders head is not exactly ridiculous.
I would surmise that a lot of the Q (as bored as some of them are) don't wish to cease to exist.The 'human reinforcement' (if you can even call them that) served as a distraction and an attempt to stave things off in that one particular battle.
I agree it was 'simplistic' but we are talking about a TV show.
It's not as if TNG, DS9 or even ENT or TOS don't suffer from this very problem.

It was shallow - look at the episodes TNG was doing in their third season and that was still fairly new Star Trek.
Season 3 Episode 12 of TNG was an episode exploring the issues of terorrism, the equivalent episode in Voyager was someone running around in a sweaty shirt fighting CGi aliens.
Wow, just wow.

'Shallow' in your opinion. I thought it was interesting actually, in a creepy sort of way (especially when both Janeway and Neelix roamed the ship without knowing what the heck happened in the first place).

What you've said there does not relate to what I said. Coda is bad because its a pointless mishmash of sci-fi elements. We have random time loops for apparently no other reason than Jeri Taylor saying (oh time loops are cool, let's add some of them in) and Janeway dying multiple times (once again because Taylor thought "Let's kill Janeway, that's cool!"). Its a terrible mess of an episode that has an awful structure wherein the main story of the episode does not begin until 20 minutes in - Janeway dealing with the possibility of her dying. That's 20 minutes of potential insight into Janeway's "psyche" wasted on completely shallow, pointless sci-fi nonsense. And even when we do get past that 20 minutes, we watch "emotional" scenes where the crew mourn Janeway.....except none of its even real! Could a more pointless episode POSSIBLY exist? At least "A Night in Sickbay" showed Archer's devotion to his dog...........what did "Coda" show? That Janeway thinks so highly of herself that she fantasizes about her crew giving long winded speeches about how great she was? :barf:

Ok... since this episode effectively took place inside Janeway's brain, lets give it some thought.
The alien who wanted to feed off Janeways consciousness needed to create a scenario that made her think she was 'dead' so she can 'let go' and go with him.
The mixing-mashing of time loop and other elements are more or less equivalent to a dream, all ending on a same note:
Janeway's death.
Also, on her fantasizing about her crew giving long-winded speeches - the last time I checked, all of that was a byproduct of the alien's manipulation - an elaborate illusion HE specifically created.
I would surmise that Janeway's memories provided him with enough context so he can concoct that scenario in the first place.

Have you even been paying attention to the episode?

I thought it was lame. "B'Ellana gets the pon farr and gets all sweaty" and then there's an uber lame fistfight at the end that magically solved all the problems

It was an ok episode. I didn't particularly care or focused on B'Ellana being sweaty in the first place. Her behavior and going through the Pon Farr was explained in the first place.
A byproduct of a Vulcan who needed to mate. Plus, Vulcans solve the pon farr by engaging in a ritualistic combat. Since we are talking about telepathic transference of a chemical imbalance that corresponds to how Vulcans deal with the issue, it's only logical that engaging in a fight or having sex would clear up the issue (because those are the only 2 options available to them).
And if you start engaging in a discussion how her physiology is very different... who cares? Trek writers are notorious for making these kinds of mistakes. Plus let's not forget that humanoids in Trek universe have a common heritage.


Fine if your aim is to make an incredibly contrived, uninteresting and low-ambition episode of Trek.

I said the episode 'Favorite Son' was dull in certain areas but there were others I thought were interesting.

It was jut a mediocre to poor episode. I wonder if there's any episode YOU don't like, you certainly seem to be lacking a critical eye and willing to accept almost anything you're fed when watching this show.

It was 'mediocre and poor' in your opinion. I wonder if you have the ability to imagine the possibility that other people might find certain episodes to have both their low-points and high-points - and overall enjoy the episode.
I do have a critical eye... I'm just wondering if you have the capacity for critical thinking given that your opinion is extremely biased and apparently just love to push it as something that's 'globally shared' or 'commonly accepted'.

You want to know what I didn't like about Voyager?
The Borg queen.
She was too human in her behavior as were many other aliens and made way too many mistakes
Furthermore, why the heck did Trek have to introduce the queen into the Collective in the first place?
I preferred them a lot more when they were just a collective without a 'leader' or a 'queen' of any kind - much better concept.
Oh right... TNG did that the last time I recall.
Voyager merely picked up on it.


Yes but was it good? Did it have consistently well written episodes? I'd say it was pretty clear that it didn't. Stuff like "False Profits", "Darkling", "Favorite Son" and "Rise" would be seen as bottom of the barrel junk if they'd been TNG episodes, and they already are rated very low by the vast majority of review sites you find online.

Season 3 just had far too many bad and mediocre episodes and it was totally meandering and disjointed. Clearly the producers knew it, since the writing and technical aspects all improved fairly dramatically near the end of season 3 and into season 4 and beyond.

We aren't talking about TNG though, we are talking about Voyager.
There is an episode called 11:59 that's apparently seen as 'bottom of the barrel' for Voyager.
I thought it was interesting.

If there is an episode of Voyager that I didn't like or care for... hm... off the top of my head.. 'Tattoo' comes to mind, then 'Innocence' (or at least the part with the kids), 'Sacred Ground' (only because it's implied that 'faith' or 'belief' as concepts are necessary and 'science' is portrayed as something relatively negative), then 'Unity' was a tad boring in certain places... and I must say i nearly gagged when seeing those proverbial lollipops the Doctor made as a virtual family in 'Real life' (plus the rest of the episode was ok) and 'Displaced' was also a bit uninteresting a bit.

Having said all that, I had a craving for watching each and every one of those episodes regardless of their 'shortcomings' because in the end, there is an underlying interest that makes me want to watch them and from an overall point of view, I find them interesting than most of DS9.
 
What really pissed me off is that this came out at the same time as Nurse Jackie and how similar the Chloey Character on Mercy was to the Zoey on Nurse Jackie... it's like they were both drawing form the same template... You know except Zoey stayed a wierdo and Chloe lost her virginity on the second episode and lost any loyalty to her character as the quirky noob.

I sincerely do want more Greys Anatomy and the formula kinda fit but... Fail?

They should have just told the tale of Mulgrew off the rails and forgotten about all that crap in the hospital.
 
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I'm a Greys Anatomy virgin. I got all ER'ed out lat least 15 years ago. Mercy with Mulgrew as the main character would have been great, it would have become a New Jersey epic. All the hospital people are generic. Hospitals are boring, dramatic Irish Catholic matriarchs are not.

 
The fist season of greys anatomy is so simple.

(All nine episodes.)

Ridiculously so.

But then something happened in seasons two.

No reset button.

The background was always full on continuous fuming exploding drama whose fuses were lit weeks and weeks earlier.

I started with ER, but then my teen years started to get interesting with sex and alcohol and driving fast to places with loud music... And frankly after George Clooney left it was just a no contest.
 
The last episode I saw a helicopter fell on the weedy ginger that everyone hated.

No wait, maybe it was when the doctor with the glasses died of cancer.

No resent button means it was pretty big DON'T TELL ME, maybe I will watch it some day. I'm watching Nikita now though. Because of the wonderful Melinda Clarke. Don't tell me anything about that either.
 
Melinda hides her age well.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sometimes the light glances off her just so, and I can see another 15 years that wasn't there a moment ago.

Oh.

Only 43?

How odd.

I hated her final fate in the OC.
 
I can't remember her fate and I only have the first two seasons on DVD of the OC. She was fabulous in that. I do think hiding your age can age you which is the effect you get when harsh light falls. However she is still stunning, she was the whole point of the OC. Well Jeri Ryan was also a huge plus.

I also liked her in Firefly very much, her character Nandi was oddly inspiring.

Inara Serra: I learned something from Nandi, not just from what happened, but from her. The family she made, the strength of her love for them, it's what kept them together. When you live with that kind of strength, you get tied to it. You can't break away, and you never want to.

(Petaline was also hot in that ep, especially when she shot her baby's daddy in the head. Comic book.)
 
You Will Fail said:
It was shallow - look at the episodes TNG was doing in their third season and that was still fairly new Star Trek. Season 3 Episode 12 of TNG was an episode exploring the issues of terorrism, the equivalent episode in Voyager was someone running around in a sweaty shirt fighting CGi aliens. Wow, just wow.
The equivalent to "Macrocosm" was clearly "Starship Mine" - a blatant Die Hard spoof designed to be, y'know, fun.
I thought it was lame. "B'Ellana gets the pon farr and gets all sweaty" and then there's an uber lame fistfight at the end that magically solved all the problems
Just as it did in "Amok Time", the TOS episode which "Blood Fever" pays tribute to.
 
Not all their problems.

Miral Paris had to come from somewhere.

Lets Pitch the new series now...

Star Trek: How I met Your Mother.

Actually... Just get Robbie to supply 5 minutes of voice over per episode and it wouldn't be too hard to re-edit Voyager to reflect the growing relationship between Tom and B'Elanna.

Allyson Hannigan.

You're putting together everything she has to offer, and you're almost sure that Ally is the total package when you remember that time at band camp when she stuck a flute up her pussy, and you damn well realize that we're gonna need a bigger package.

American Reunion is actually going to be the 9th American Pie Movie.

Eugene leavy has been in all of them.
 
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