I thought the Bozeman patrolled the border of the Typhon expanse, between Starbase 2 and Klingon space (or something like that)? That's different from actually sending a ship to explore and chart in the expanse itself.
Gap between Gen and FC?
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Wasn't too crazy about Ship Of The Line either. Have only read one of the Slings & Arrows stories & liked it.
No. Here's what I found courtesy of Amazon's Search Inside:
At the end of Chapter 1, the Klingon captain says, "Helm, plot a course across the Federation Neutral Zone. Enter the Typhon Expanse!" Then, when the Enterprise (1701) rendezvouses with the Bozeman in the next chapter, Bateson greets them, "Welcome to the Typhon Expanse," so they're definitely in it. The Expanse is later described as "a sector about as far from Federation central as possible, but definitely populated and growing," and Starbase 12 is called "the prize of the Typhon Expanse." Later on, Riker refers to the Bozeman's disappearance and says "I've heard that no one of any self-restraint would go into the Typhon Expanse for a good twenty years after that incident."
So as far as Ship of the Line was concerned, the Typhon Expanse was a remote sector of Federation space on the Klingon border, sparsely populated but holding one starbase prior to 2278, then mostly avoided from 2278 to roughly the end of the century, but definitely visited thereafter. It's impossible to reconcile that with the actual episode.
Oh, okay. Fair enough.
Yup. If anything, the novel ought to have tried to explain how the Bozeman could originally have disappeared in the Typhon Expanse without Starfleet realizing that she ever was at that location.
Given the overall concept of the novel, and especially the 23rd century part of the story, I think a chase scene could have been arranged easily enough, taking Bateson's ship to this location against Starfleet orders and without Starfleet's knowledge.
Timo Saloniemi
Given the overall concept of the novel, and especially the 23rd century part of the story, I think a chase scene could have been arranged easily enough, taking Bateson's ship to this location against Starfleet orders and without Starfleet's knowledge.
Timo Saloniemi
Not necessarily. I general like Carey's Trek books and kind of like the use of nautical jargon in Trek, but I couldn't even finish this book. Its faults have been well outlined by others here, so I won't go into all of them, but I was really disappointed in this book, having very much enjoyed Carey's other Trek work.
I'm first and foremost a huge TOS fan & even I found the hero worship of Kirk and crew to be a little grating.
Well, there's the rather basic fact that there was a woman standing right next to Kelsey Grammer, yet Carey's crew for the Bozeman was entirely male..............
^As I said, that's easy to check now when we have DVDs and screencaps and such, but the script to "Cause and Effect" doesn't specify the first officer's sex, so with the more limited references sources available in years past, it might've been easier to overlook that detail. I know that when I first read Ship of the Line, and for a few years thereafter, I didn't remember enough about the final scenes of "Cause and Effect" to realize that the book got the bridge crew's gender balance wrong.
There were certainly other books in past decades that made such factual mistakes. There were some that misspelled character names (like "Kevin Reilly"), some that put first-season TOS episodes in the third season (Double, Double is somehow both immediately after "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" and sometime after "The Enterprise Incident"), and so on. The Vulcan Academy Murders is somehow both two years after "Journey to Babel" and before M'Benga becomes a member of the Enterprise crew as seen in "A Private Little War." And so on. We have much better fact-checking resources today, any bit of trivia we want at our immediate beck and call, so it's easy to forget that our predecessors often had a harder job getting the details right.
There were certainly other books in past decades that made such factual mistakes. There were some that misspelled character names (like "Kevin Reilly"), some that put first-season TOS episodes in the third season (Double, Double is somehow both immediately after "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" and sometime after "The Enterprise Incident"), and so on. The Vulcan Academy Murders is somehow both two years after "Journey to Babel" and before M'Benga becomes a member of the Enterprise crew as seen in "A Private Little War." And so on. We have much better fact-checking resources today, any bit of trivia we want at our immediate beck and call, so it's easy to forget that our predecessors often had a harder job getting the details right.
I actually REALLY enjoyed Ship of the Line. At the time of its printing, I was unaware of the discrepancies so these were of no concern. I just read it again last year. Even with the discrepancies, I still thought it told a good story about consequences and coming to terms with loss.
I guess the crew make-up was more familiar to the diehard fans since the well-publicised anecdote that Kirstie Alley had been approached to cameo as Saavik next to her "Cheers" co-star. And "Starlog" and Starlog's TNG magazine had featured that one publicity still of Kelsey Grammer and his female officer quite prominently, even if the script failed to mention specifics.
Agreed. I don't really understand the hatred it seems to conjure up. It's at times heavy handed but, at the time of its original publication, I had no idea that so many fans detested Carey's work in general, and that book specifically. I did really want to see who that canonical female officer was - and was bewildered that Bateson's novel crew were suddenly all male.
I did feature a screen-accurate version of the Bozeman bridge crew in Watching the Clock, and I named her Parvana Whitcomb (and explained why a mere lieutenant was serving as first officer).
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