Potentially U.S. backed coup in Mali

[Knight Templar]

Far from me to defend Reagan but the direct or indirect support of foreign governmental changes has been fairly constant and independent of which President sits in the Oval Office and which party controls the Congress.

Isn't that the legitimate role of a federal govt? To try to influence the formation of foreign govt. friendlier to your own?

 

[horatio83]

On this side of the big pond we have a word for ousting democratically elected leaders and supporting autocratic leaders: fascism. Unsurprising that a reactionary fellow like you is no democrat.
Ever wondered why the guys in Teheran do so direly want nuclear weapons? Take a look in the history books, they have ample reason to be paranoid.

 

[bigdaddy]

Who cares?

 

[Knight Templar]

On this side of the big pond we have a word for ousting democratically elected leaders and supporting autocratic leaders: fascism.
Ever wondered why the guys in Teheran do so direly want nuclear weapons? Take a look in the history books, they have ample reason to be paranoid.

What would they find in the history books?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Reagan was the best at overthrowing democratic countries and replacing them with dictatorships. He was amazing.

What democratic govt. did the U.S. overthrow during President Reagan's time in office?

None, but I assumed that if you can make absurd claims with no basis in reality in order to suit your political beliefs, then so could I.

But he did overthrow a lot of governments because he hated the Commies.

 

[horatio83]

On this side of the big pond we have a word for ousting democratically elected leaders and supporting autocratic leaders: fascism.
Ever wondered why the guys in Teheran do so direly want nuclear weapons? Take a look in the history books, they have ample reason to be paranoid.

What would they find in the history books?

Read them, you are in dire need of an education.

 

[tomalak301]

Just curious, what is up with all your politically active threads popping up in here and TV/Media. I'm fine with talking about stuff in the news because I don't go into TNZ, but coming from you it's been a lot over the last few weeks.

 

[Knight Templar]

Reagan was the best at overthrowing democratic countries and replacing them with dictatorships. He was amazing.

What democratic govt. did the U.S. overthrow during President Reagan's time in office?

None, but I assumed that if you can make absurd claims with no basis in reality in order to suit your political beliefs, then so could I.

Understood.

On this side of the big pond we have a word for ousting democratically elected leaders and supporting autocratic leaders: fascism.
Ever wondered why the guys in Teheran do so direly want nuclear weapons? Take a look in the history books, they have ample reason to be paranoid.

What would they find in the history books?

Read them, you are in dire need of an education.

Care to guide me in the right direction?

 

[Alrik]

On this side of the big pond we have a word for ousting democratically elected leaders and supporting autocratic leaders: fascism.
Ever wondered why the guys in Teheran do so direly want nuclear weapons? Take a look in the history books, they have ample reason to be paranoid.

What would they find in the history books?

Um, history. Very interesting and important field of study. And to paraphrase, those who do not learn it, are destined to repeat it.

 

[horatio83]

Reagan was the best at overthrowing democratic countries and replacing them with dictatorships. He was amazing.

What democratic govt. did the U.S. overthrow during President Reagan's time in office?

None, but I assumed that if you can make absurd claims with no basis in reality in order to suit your political beliefs, then so could I.

But he did overthrow a lot of governments because he hated the Commies.

The actions in Central America, be it in Nicaragua or El Salvador, are attempted coup d'états. I know little about Nicaragua but the civil war in El Salvador has been pretty nasty.
So yeah, Reagan definitely is responsible for tens of thousands of corpses. On the other hand American policy in Central and South America has been pretty constant over the years.

 

[Awesome Possum]

What democratic govt. did the U.S. overthrow during President Reagan's time in office?

None, but I assumed that if you can make absurd claims with no basis in reality in order to suit your political beliefs, then so could I.

Understood.

While not Democratic, he did fund the Contras and therefore funded some horrific abuses of human rights.

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Why isn't this in TNZ?

Because some posters can't take the heat.

 

[Knight Templar]

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

 

[Awesome Possum]

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

You agree that Reagan was right in doing what he did? Because I see rape, murder and torture as bad things.

 

[horatio83]

Care to guide me in the right direction?

No idea where the library in your town is. But if you want the short version, the US ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran in the fifties because he wanted to socialize oil (which actually makes sense from an economic point of view as oil belongs to everybody so you gotta either socialize it or tax away the entire resource rents) and installed the autocratic Shah. About 25 years later the people made a revolution. There were basically two revolutionary factions, left-wingers and religious extremists, and the latter won. I am sure you are familiar with the rest of history and US-Iranian relations and start to view the current US-Iran conflict with new eyes.

 

[horatio83]

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

Apart from your blatant disregard of anything ethical which is not really anything new at this point, your big friend Jesus was a bit of a commie. Sharing everything with his fellow hippies in that little commune, not taking money for his healing services, saying nasty things about rich people not going to heaven, throwing the guys with the money out of the temple ... if he were alive today you would advocate to send the Delta Forces after him.

 

[Knight Templar]

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

You agree that Reagan was right in doing what he did? Because I see rape, murder and torture as bad things.

Normally they are. And I'm sure you can provide evidence of the Reagan admin. specifically ordering the Contras to rape, murder and torture people?

Care to guide me in the right direction?

No idea where the library in your town is. But if you want the short version, the US ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran in the fifties .

You're hanging your argument on one incident nearly SIXTY years ago?

Overreach Much.

But the ends justify the means if they stop the Commies, you just have the break a few eggs.

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

Apart from your blatant disregard of anything ethical which is not really anything new at this point, your big friend Jesus was a bit of a commie. Sharing everything with his fellow hippies in that little commune, not taking money for his healing services, saying nasty things about rich people not going to heaven, throwing the guys with the money out of the temple ... if he were alive today you would advocate to send the Delta Forces after him.

I doubt it. From some of the posters here, I would figure that Jesus would be too busy marching for abortion and homosexual rights

Remember, this is the same group of people that were arguing that a dedicated Baptist minister (Martin Luther King Jr.) supported abortion.

At any rate, I'm not Jesus. He isn't running for office. And I have my own agenda.

 

[Amaris]

Why isn't this in TNZ?

Because i like civilised conversations.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I agree.

I'm 100% on board with you on this point.

You agree that Reagan was right in doing what he did? Because I see rape, murder and torture as bad things.

Normally they are. And I'm sure you can provide evidence of the Reagan admin. specifically ordering the Contras to rape, murder and torture people?

If you're aware of evil and allow it to not only continue, but keep funding it, that makes you just as guilty.

Remember, this is the same group of people that were arguing that a dedicated Baptist minister (Martin Luther King Jr.) supported abortion.

Okay. I'm going to use small words so that you'll understand. No one said he outright supported it. You claimed he was against it, you were called to proved it, and failed. Saying that there isn't evidence of someone being against something is not the same as saying they supported it. For anyone with a working brain, it isn't a hard concept to understand.

 

[Knight Templar]

You agree that Reagan was right in doing what he did? Because I see rape, murder and torture as bad things.

Normally they are. And I'm sure you can provide evidence of the Reagan admin. specifically ordering the Contras to rape, murder and torture people?

If you're aware of evil and allow it to not only continue, but keep funding it, that makes you just as guilty.

Remember, this is the same group of people that were arguing that a dedicated Baptist minister (Martin Luther King Jr.) supported abortion.

Okay. I'm going to use small words so that you'll understand. No one said he outright supported it. You claimed he was against it, you were called to proved it, and failed. Saying that there isn't evidence of someone being against something is not the same as saying they supported it. For anyone with a working brain, it isn't a hard concept to understand.

Have you ever heard of sarcasm?