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Future of Trek at Pocket Books

Will we ever see Ralph McQuarrie's gorgeous design for the Phase II Enterprise? Probably not, and especially since he's now past. Pathetic and greedy.
It was among the ships in he space junkyard in "Unification". The aft end was seen as a dark shape looming in spacedock in STIII.

Not what you want, I know, but... Trivia!
 
Actually that conjectural version of the Enterprise was co-designed by Ken Adam and Ralph McQuarrie, and it was for the abandoned Planet of the Titans movie, not the Phase II series.

And it's nonsense to suggest "greed" as a motive behind not using a design. Movie and TV productions go through countless proposed and rejected designs, and the designers are paid for their work on the production whether the designs end up being used or not.
 
Yea, but they don't use old stuff. New people, new designs, no matter how good it was. It's not because they can't, is it, legally? as like you said the design belongs to those two gentleman and was created for 'Planet of the Titans'. If there was ever a time to be lazy.. or more inclusive and yes, less greedy - artistically, that is..
 
Yea, but they don't use old stuff. New people, new designs, no matter how good it was. It's not because they can't, is it, legally? as like you said the design belongs to those two gentleman and was created for 'Planet of the Titans'. If there was ever a time to be lazy.. or more inclusive and yes, less greedy - artistically, that is..

Actually, if it were a matter of greed, they would have used the designs from Phase II and other prior revival projects, because they wouldn't have had to pay for new designs.

They didn't use the failed revival designs because their sense of aesthetics differed from designs, so they had new designs made. That's all.
 
Yea, but they don't use old stuff. New people, new designs, no matter how good it was. It's not because they can't, is it, legally?

Why would they? If the design was rejected as not good enough the first time, why would you expect it to be un-rejected?


If there was ever a time to be lazy.. or more inclusive and yes, less greedy - artistically, that is..

This is a completely bizarre argument. First of all, greed still has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just the opposite, because they're paying more for their new designers' time and effort than they would if they just lazily dredged up some old reject.

Second, as Sci says, it makes no sense to think that a new production would simply reuse stuff conceived for an earlier production. Different creators have different visions, different aesthetics. When a new team comes together for a new project, combining their imaginations, it produces new and different results, and that's just how it should work.
 
In a perfect world maybe.

It wasn't not good enough or rejected. It was redesigned for a new production.
 
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In a perfect world maybe.

It wasn't not good enough

To your sense of aesthetics. Obviously the producers of Star Trek: The Motion Picture disagreed.

or rejected. It was redesigned.

Uh, if it was re-designed, it was rejected. If it weren't rejected, it would have been used. It was rejected, and a new design commissioned.
 
Actually that conjectural version of the Enterprise was co-designed by Ken Adam and Ralph McQuarrie, and it was for the abandoned Planet of the Titans movie, not the Phase II series.

And it's nonsense to suggest "greed" as a motive behind not using a design. Movie and TV productions go through countless proposed and rejected designs, and the designers are paid for their work on the production whether the designs end up being used or not.

And I, for one, am very glad they went that route for ST:TMP. I absolutely love the movie Enterprise design. Adam & McQuarrie's design, while a nice design for a different Starfleet ship, just isn't the Enterprise.
 
All of a sudden, Marco was starting to turn into a Klingon with a darker Star Wars-esk complection. I assume another publisher would have a different strategy and start by cleaning house from scratch. That's not one of my fears.
 
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All of a sudden, Marco was starting to turn into a Klingon with a darker Star Wars-esk complection. I assume another publisher would have a different stratagy and start by cleaning house from scratch. That's not one of my fears.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.
 
What has any of this got to do with Pocket Books?

Just to bring this back on topic, this rumor was addressed on The Star Trek Books Community page on Facebook, where they state that there is nothing to fear.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Star-Trek-Books-Community/56764725440

If I'm not totally mistaken that page isn't official at all. And if the guy running it has really been hired by them in the interim I now really fear for their future.

Actually more often than not his "news" are just some (often already outdated) things he picked up here. Just look at this post:

As per the last post made by Alex, I want to be clear about something: 2013 is another big year for Trek with David Mack who has a TNG trilogy set for next year. James Swallow has an untitled TNG novel as well . Also, the Typhon Pact will be returning in some form. This and many more to be announced in the coming months. So as you can see, Trek is very much alive on the publishing front.

a) 2/3 of David Mack's trilogy will be released in 2012, and the whole trilogy falls into the 2012 publishing year.
b) James Swallow's story is a novella and released in 2012
c) Mentioning the Typhon Pact is an educated guess at best and at worst he just stumbled with the years again and is referring to Una's novel.
 
All of a sudden, Marco was starting to turn into a Klingon with a darker Star Wars-esk complection. I assume another publisher would have a different stratagy and start by cleaning house from scratch. That's not one of my fears.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

What I mean is the same people at different publishing houses might become different people because they have new bosses to impress. Percetions of impropriety, etc. Who knows why.
 
All of a sudden, Marco was starting to turn into a Klingon with a darker Star Wars-esk complection. I assume another publisher would have a different stratagy and start by cleaning house from scratch. That's not one of my fears.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

What I mean is the same people at different publishing houses might become different people because they have new bosses to impress. Percetions of impropriety, etc. Who knows why.

Which has what to do with anything we've been talking about in this thread?
 
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

What I mean is the same people at different publishing houses might become different people because they have new bosses to impress. Percetions of impropriety, etc. Who knows why.

Which has what to do with anything we've been talking about in this thread?

Somebody mentioned fear and I wanted to address that. :bolian:
 
If I'm not totally mistaken that page isn't official at all. And if the guy running it has really been hired by them in the interim I now really fear for their future.

Actually more often than not his "news" are just some (often already outdated) things he picked up here. Just look at this post:

As per the last post made by Alex, I want to be clear about something: 2013 is another big year for Trek with David Mack who has a TNG trilogy set for next year. James Swallow has an untitled TNG novel as well . Also, the Typhon Pact will be returning in some form. This and many more to be announced in the coming months. So as you can see, Trek is very much alive on the publishing front.
a) 2/3 of David Mack's trilogy will be released in 2012, and the whole trilogy falls into the 2012 publishing year.
b) James Swallow's story is a novella and released in 2012
c) Mentioning the Typhon Pact is an educated guess at best and at worst he just stumbled with the years again and is referring to Una's novel.

Oh. Well, that's a bit of a disappointment. I didn't think it was official per se, but I did think it had an inside track or something. I guess that doesn't corroborate anything then. Never mind.
 
All of a sudden, Marco was starting to turn into a Klingon with a darker Star Wars-esk complection. I assume another publisher would have a different stratagy and start by cleaning house from scratch. That's not one of my fears.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.

What I mean is the same people at different publishing houses might become different people because they have new bosses to impress. Percetions of impropriety, etc. Who knows why.
Still makes no sense. These people get jobs based on what they've produced. Their reputations and relationships have already been established.
 
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