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JJ Abrams is pissed over leaked photos

No one except Trekkies paid any attention at all to Nemesis.

I paid attention enough to know of the train wreck that was coming. (It kinda hurt, really.) I guess if Berman had used Abrams' tactics, they probably would've gotten my ten dollars (well, twenty, since I would've dragged my wife to the movie, too).
I guess all this secrecy means Abrams is really afraid STXII will suck. ;)
 
The movie still opened with similar numbers to "Insurrection" and TFF.

I'm not so sure of that. "Nemesis" was the first ST movie not to win its US opening weekend. It was trounced by J-Lo's "Maid in Manhattan".

Every other ST movie has opened to packed houses, AFAIK.
 
I'm sure, and it's not hard to confirm - Insurrection made about 22 million, Nemesis just under 19 million on their opening weekends domestically. Given that Insurrection would go on to make seventy million and Nemesis only forty-three, it's pretty clear that Nemesis collapsed on the basis of audience response to the actual film after it opened.

I saw every Trek film on opening night in the Washington DC metropolitan market, one of the larger urban areas in the U.S. (far from the largest). There were "packed houses" on opening night for two - ST:TMP and ST:TWOK. Bear in mind that in the early 1980s "wide openings" were not yet customary for all commercial movies - if you wanted to see either of those films on opening night, you had a choice of about four theaters in the area. The most successful movies of the 21st century, by contrast, rarely sell out theaters.

So, I'll see your anecdotal evidence and raise.

Star Trek films have always made the vast majority of their money in first run in the United States itself, something which the folks running Paramount know all too well and have spent considerable resources trying to change during the nascent Abrams era. Just because the movie does particularly well or badly in a single foreign market, like Australia, isn't likely to tell one a lot one way or the other about how much money it made or how popular it (or Jennifer Lopez, for that matter) are in the United States, because it represents a very limited and nonrepresentative subset of data relative to the whole.
 
^ I'll say one thing: At AMC River North in Chicago, STXI was PACKED on opening night, despite the fact that it was showing on two different screens at the same time. I think the next one will benefit from the other's reputation, which will get people in to see it; after that, it lives or dies on its own merits.

Has anyone stopped to think that it wasn't bad press for Nemesis that doomed the movie, but the fact that people remembered that Insurrection sucked ass and didn't want to waste their money on another cinematic abomination?
 
INS was a much better movie than NEM, if you ask me. Or even if you don't.

My recollection from the time is that NEM opened around the same time as the second Lord of the Rings movie, a James Bond movie and a Harry Potter movie. For a genre movie in a franchise that had a moderate but not massive following, this was totally suicidal. There was also quite bad weather in the US and UK at the time and I imagine that a lot of people just stayed at home.

There was the fact that the franchise was totally untrendy and seemd tired out, as borne out by the response to ENT, which was then on tv. And when reviews and word-of-mouth got out about NEM, it can hardly have helped.
 
Has anyone stopped to think that it wasn't bad press for Nemesis that doomed the movie, but the fact that people remembered that Insurrection sucked ass and didn't want to waste their money on another cinematic abomination?

By the same token, TFF may have benefited somewhat by audiences' enjoyment of TVH.
 
^ I do think that the rather excellent Undiscovered Country performed more poorly than it deserved to because a lot of people had been burned by The Final Frontier. Had TUC followed The Voyage Home, it might have done better.

Of course, I think it's also fair to point out that TFF was released the same summer that Batman destroyed everything, bar Indiana Jones, in its path. Ghostbusters II and Licence to Kill, that year's 007 movie, also performed poorly at the US box office because of Burton's Batty behemoth.
 
^ Fair enough, thanks for the clarification.

IIRC Shatner himself accepts in Star Trek Movie Memories that TFF failed to get the repeat viewing that often benefits sci-fi movies; he put this down in part to the poor SFX and in part to the fact that the movie wasn't all that good. So that would certainly explain the fall-off in the second weekend.
 
No one except Trekkies paid any attention at all to Nemesis.

Yea, plus, I'm sure every die hard like us posters here, has at least 3 or 4 friends that ask our opinion or plot knowledge of SciFi movies because they are more casual fans and trust our "expertise".

Seriously? :lol:

I think not. Movies would be marketed in an entirely different way if that were true.
Yup seriously, maybe my experience is atypical then, but, this is my experience.
 
^ It could be that the only good vantage point for set pics is the one now on the wrong side of the row of containers. The folks in the houses on the hill—given a really, really nice lens—might well have an absolutely perfect shot of the unpainted two-by-fours and plywood of the back side of the filming sets, and little else.

Anyone have an idea where that might be?
 
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