So selfish... using something big to kickstart the new Trek movies. How dare they!
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I don't think fictional universes have feelings and need "consideration". Is it really any different than killing off Yar, Spock, Jadzia or Data? Was it inconsiderate when they did that?
I know, it's almost like they killed off Kirk or something. Or had Troi crash the Enterprise!
The nerve!
Clearly, the old Trek universe needs to be preserved in amber and placed gently on a shelf where nothing upsetting can ever happen to it . . . .
THAT REALITY AND TIMELINE STILL EXIST. How many times do some of us have to stress this? Fine. You don't like the look, feel and actual content of the new timeline, and that is your God-given, perfect right as a fan and a consumer. But the Prime timeline was not erased forever from the annals of galactic history. It's still going forward in the post-2387, post-Romulus galaxy of the Picard/Sisko/Janeway era. You didn't lose anything except the possibility of brand new movies or series set in the Prime timeline for the foreseeable future! That's all!
And those of us who are still laboring in the old universe can surely get some mileage out of Romulus blowing up . . . .
Again, it's not "inconsiderate" at all. One expects dramatic things to happen in the movies. It just gives us more stuff to work with in the books.
Again, it's not "inconsiderate" at all. One expects dramatic things to happen in the movies. It just gives us more stuff to work with in the books.
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Yep. DARN those people who own the rights - how DARE they do what they want to with their own property!!
Heh, and that's exactly what they did, they wrapped it up in amber and put it on a shelf, where it can be safe and preserved for all time, while allowing new stories to take place in an alternate universe.
It's not inconsiderate at all. I'm looking forward to future Trek novels dealing with the fallout of Romulus's destruction. Besides if in the future another movie or even a tv series comes along then the producers could always undo the destruction of Romulus if they're so inclined. With time travel what's done can be undone.
Exactly which is why blowing up Romulus in the prime timeline when their movies weren't even going to be set there was so ridiculous and inconsiderate. Like I said before, its the equivalent of the VOY writers doing an episode where someone arrives from the Mirror Universe and says its been destroyed when the VOY writers had no interest in doing mirror universe episodes so ruins it for the DS9 staff. If you're not doing stories involving something (in nu-Trek's case the prime universe), then please don't write in completely galaxy-changing events to take place there.
Do what you like with the universe you're writing about/setting your stories in, don't infringe on a universe you're not. Pretty simple logic
Also I never said the new movies erased the old timeline, and said on a few occasions I knew the old timeline still existed...so I guess that shows how much attention you were actually paying to what I wrote, explains why you don't see what I'm saying I guess.
Also, the whole "alternate timeline" thing didn't make much sense to me. I can accept the infinite worlds idea where due to the infinite nature of our universe etc that there are worlds that have developed almost identically to ours except for small changes or sometimes big ones. But Uhura makes it sound like there's a whole new universe that's popped into existence just because of Nero which I can't really swallow.
Novels, comics and such will no doubt address the issue of the destruction of Romulus and the carnage that its decimation caused the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. Will we get a new TV series or theatrical film set in the Picard era anytime soon? No. EVER? I honestly do not know. If the J.J. Abrams timeline stories start to get stale and tank with Trekkers and the greater audience at-large we might very well get new filmed adventures set post-VOYAGER / NEMESIS / 2387. If Paramount sees that the Abrams timeline is no longer as interesting and profitable as it once was then I could very well see them going back to the well and resurrecting the TREK that worked so well between 1979 and 2005. If they think that a return to the Prime Timeline will make them tons of money then that's all the motivation they'll really need. The studio and creators have surprised us all many, many times before. Try not to be such a danged pessimist about the entire franchise because of one or two movies.
The Many Worlds Interpretation. Real world science, an interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Exactly which is why blowing up Romulus in the prime timeline when their movies weren't even going to be set there was so ridiculous and inconsiderate. Like I said before, its the equivalent of the VOY writers doing an episode where someone arrives from the Mirror Universe and says its been destroyed when the VOY writers had no interest in doing mirror universe episodes so ruins it for the DS9 staff. If you're not doing stories involving something (in nu-Trek's case the prime universe), then please don't write in completely galaxy-changing events to take place there.
Do what you like with the universe you're writing about/setting your stories in, don't infringe on a universe you're not. Pretty simple logic
Also I never said the new movies erased the old timeline, and said on a few occasions I knew the old timeline still existed...so I guess that shows how much attention you were actually paying to what I wrote, explains why you don't see what I'm saying I guess.
Also, the whole "alternate timeline" thing didn't make much sense to me. I can accept the infinite worlds idea where due to the infinite nature of our universe etc that there are worlds that have developed almost identically to ours except for small changes or sometimes big ones. But Uhura makes it sound like there's a whole new universe that's popped into existence just because of Nero which I can't really swallow.
So, if they blow up Romulus in a movie set in the prime universe its okay?
Since no one is making any films or series set in the prime universe, what does it matter? The Lit people have to follow the lead of the film/TV guys. Making silk purses from sow's ears is their thing.
What it all amounts to is that some people just don't want the new STAR TREK because they feel(incorrectly and absurdly) that it defecates on the memory of the old TREK and its characters. And I and countless others say it doesn't. What you consider "inconsiderate" I consider a non-issue and that non-issue doesn't give me negative emotions towards the new films and timeline. So what if Romulus got destroyed in the Picard era? Does it really bother and nag you so much that it makes you completely jaded and miserable in regards to the bulk or entirety of nuTREK?
Your loss. I don't see a whole lot of others in here thinking its an abomination or blasphemy to the rest of the franchise. We have other, much more important things to nitpick besides the destruction of one planet in another timeline and having no immediate follow-up to satisfy our curiosity. And like I said, books, graphic novels and other media will no doubt address the Romulus disaster and its ramifications. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what amounts to a pretty creative and ballsy screenwriting decision.
Your loss. I don't see a whole lot of others in here thinking its an abomination or blasphemy to the rest of the franchise. We have other, much more important things to nitpick besides the destruction of one planet in another timeline and having no immediate follow-up to satisfy our curiosity. And like I said, books, graphic novels and other media will no doubt address the Romulus disaster and its ramifications. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what amounts to a pretty creative and ballsy screenwriting decision.
TOS is hardly a sow's ear. Very. very greedy. Now nobody can handle it except J.J.. See how that works? Neat. There's creativity and inventiveness for you and genuine all American insidiousness. Boy I thought RDM was hideously clever, but he's got nothing on these guys.
Stop being ridiculous and blowing things completely out of proportion. It's a new STAR TREK timeline for a new set of films, not giving the Statue of Liberty a slutty stripper's outfit or carving the face of Justin Bieber or Donald Trump on Mount Rushmore. It's a commercial entertainment franchise WE don't own the creative rights to. Not a revered, holy institution or international historical landmark.
Considering the prime universe is essentially done for the forseeable future (in TV/film), why does it really matter? And, besides, it's still the same as what happened to Cardassia. They ruined it without any intention of going back and exploring the fallout.Exactly which is why blowing up Romulus in the prime timeline when their movies weren't even going to be set there was so ridiculous and inconsiderate. Like I said before, its the equivalent of the VOY writers doing an episode where someone arrives from the Mirror Universe and says its been destroyed when the VOY writers had no interest in doing mirror universe episodes so ruins it for the DS9 staff. If you're not doing stories involving something (in nu-Trek's case the prime universe), then please don't write in completely galaxy-changing events to take place there.
Do what you like with the universe you're writing about/setting your stories in, don't infringe on a universe you're not. Pretty simple logic
Also I never said the new movies erased the old timeline, and said on a few occasions I knew the old timeline still existed...so I guess that shows how much attention you were actually paying to what I wrote, explains why you don't see what I'm saying I guess.
Besides, Romulus's destruction will make for an epic climax to the post-Nemesis Romulan story arc, which has been one of my favourite plot threads in the novels. It could mark the fall of the Typhon Pact.
Uh, the "sow's ear" would be the stuff from all the movies and series that don't quite work or the fan(s) don't like. The "silk purse" would be the novels.
Try focusing on whats being said.
Yeah, JJ has dibs on Trek films right now, just as Bennett did and Berman. All because Paramount/CBS/Viacom let them. They actually owned/own the rights. Its not greed if it's yours. If I want you to drive my car, its fine because its my car. If CBS wants to do a TV series, they could do so with out JJ's involvement, because is theirs. His imput is not needed or required. Thats not insidious or greedy. Creative and inventive are what the guys hired by CBS do.
WTF are you on about? Melodramatic much? It's still Paramount's sandbox. JJ Abrams is just the guy who they're letting play it it at the moment. Sooner or later Abrams will move on and Joe Blow will be in charge. Maybe he'll simply build on Abrams stuff or he'll do his own thing.
Just chill.
BULLSEYE. Marvelous point on Cardassia. More than 500 million innocent Cardassians are ruthlessly slaughtered and much of the planet is laid waste by the Founders... and we not only saw almost none of that carnage on-screen in "What You Leave Behind(DS9)," but there was absolutely no followup whatsoever in later seasons of VOYAGER or in NEMESIS.
With all the frequent visits to Deanna Troi, Reg Barclay and the Alpha Quadrant in the last two years of VOYAGER shouldn't there have been at least one comment or conversation about the bloodbath on and devastation of Cardassia and its ramifications for the rest of the quadrant? Well, we didn't get any followup or references because the show wasn't about that, and I was fine with it. There are many disasters and wars in TREK history that get little or absolutely no followup. Deal with it.
It's GR's creation, which is an artistic visionary project, not just Paramount's property, which just boils it down to a commercial product, which in and by itself doesn't interest me. If a guy makes money selling drugs or saves money doing something illegal or that disrespects somebody, does that impress you? 'Cause if it does, there's something wrong with you.
You clearly have no bloody understanding of how show business and intellectual property rights work. It doesn't matter if Gene Roddenberry created it. The man died more than twenty years ago and the franchise had more or less passed into other hands even before Gene's passing. The studio and the producers make the calls and the decisions, whether you like it or not. TREK is not only a beloved worldwide franchise but it is also a business. And Viacom has a responsibility to its shareholders and corporate board to make money if it can, whether you or I or anyone else in the fanbase agrees with something or not.
And seriously...when you compare this whole situation to selling narcotics or doing other things that are legally prohibited you just make an empty, illogical argument even emptier and more illogical.
It doesn't matter if Gene Roddenberry created it. The man died more than twenty years ago and the franchise had more or less passed into other hands even before Gene's passing. The studio and the producers make the calls and the decisions, whether you like it or not. TREK is not only a beloved worldwide franchise but it is also a business. And Viacom has a responsibility to its shareholders and corporate board to make money if it can, whether you or I or anyone else in the fanbase agrees with something or not.And seriously...when you compare this whole situation to selling narcotics or doing other things that are legally prohibited you just make an empty, illogical argument even emptier and more illogical.
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