Kirk got his hands pretty dirty in A Private Little War.
Why do they still let Braga do TV shows?
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Sure he acted shocked and outraged, but, you could tell he admitted to himself that Garak was right, and he even solidified that by capping off the episode by saying he'd do it again. If he felt so shocked and outraged as he stated, he wouldn't say he'd do it again. If he was willing to do it again, knowing what he knows now, he admits his guilt, IMHO.
I heard the all powerful Berman's regime entrenchment was politics in hell. I guess you never knew when he or a suit would walk in the door. They were probably not unlike the ubiquetous Smith agents from 'The Matrix', and while Braga might have been Neo (not Nero?), he did take down Berman in the end, especially with 'Nemisis'.
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"Our squeaky-clean star did something slightly shady, condoning the truly bad deeds of other morally-compromised individuals! Look how edgy we are!"
Admittedly, this was as much an issue with the studio's mandates as anything else. Ron Moore certainly agitated against the idea that the main cast had to remain virtually spotless. Then he got basically free rein on BSG, and some would say he went a bit too far in the other direction at times.
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Brannon Braga had nothing to do with Star Trek Nemesis.
^ Why let facts get in the way of a rant?
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Oh, I'm sure Braga offered notes and suggestions (by that point he was basically running Enterprise, so he was certainly still "around" on the lot and likely available to Berman in some capacity) but he was in no official capacity involved with the writing or production of Nemesis.
It'd be like me saying "Oh hey, I am a poster at TrekBBS so I'm responsible for how MA is run today, even though I've never been a moderator or admin."
It'd be like me saying "Oh hey, I am a poster at TrekBBS so I'm responsible for how MA is run today, even though I've never been a moderator or admin."
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I'm sure he said it was great, which was the worst thing imaginable he could have done to Berman. Though it took him down a couple of notches, it only just made him worse and stronger considering all the episodes he wrote and piggy backed on Braga with on Enterprise.
So it went from Braga to Coto the clown and now finally to the sadistic ringleader JJ Abrams and center stage - the main attraction - like mighty Joe Young or Kong. But like those two, I hope it gets away. As I said the beginning trailer for Super 8 is probably very similar to how GR might feel about it all now.
So it went from Braga to Coto the clown and now finally to the sadistic ringleader JJ Abrams and center stage - the main attraction - like mighty Joe Young or Kong. But like those two, I hope it gets away. As I said the beginning trailer for Super 8 is probably very similar to how GR might feel about it all now.
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"saying it's great" and "he did take down Berman with Nemesis" are two vastly, different, disparate things.
What are you smoking that you think the two are in any way equal? Further, what's your source for any of it?
What are you smoking that you think the two are in any way equal? Further, what's your source for any of it?
Everyone has "heard" all kinds of things. Were you there?
It might shock you to learn that most people don't like some things about their boss.
As to the DS9 thing - the writers absolved Sisko of responsibility for the assassination. So they let the character wring his hands in retrospect? Cop-out.
Hell, you don't even have to wander off the skiffy reservation to find shows with more balls than that - Rupert Giles once did his best to protect the world by breaking a helpless man's neck and killing him.
Exactly.. there's little (if any) difference (morally speaking) if you kill someone yourself or order a subordinate to do it and he does it and as you said it Garak even points it out in the episode when Sisko tries to get all "Starfleet/Federation morally pure" on him.. he knew exactly what Garak was capable of and would do without a moments hesitation. In this case Garak was just the tool.
This is why i think DS9 was the best Trek show of any in the franchise but also the one that was furthest away from Roddenbery's vision.. the universe got dark and hopeless with DS9 but that's what happens in war but it also gave us some of the best Trek episodes ever and in general a very good SF show that didn't always rely on technobabble or boobs to lure in their core audience.
As others have pointed out (to get back in topic sort of) it was exactly the lack of Braga involvement (he was busy with the TNG movie, especially Generations and later on the launch of Voyager) that made this show so good.. Piller, Behr and Moore had almost free reigns and they put that to good use and i'm so glad that happened and we got the show we deserved.
I'm sure plenty of the guys that worked for Berman liked him. Hitler was probably nice to his friends too, but we're talking creativity here and the stiffling restricting atmosphere that might have sophocated it and led to it's artistically successful demise.
Sorry, mods, but I like to Berman bash. I think it's over.
Sorry, mods, but I like to Berman bash. I think it's over.
Once someone starts comparing a TV producer to one of the worst mass murderers in human history, you know they've totally lost it (if they ever had it.)
What is sophocated? Is that a contraction of "Sophomoric Defacation" or some mangled spelling of Sophisticated?
GODWIN!!!!!!!!
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And, of course, if one watches the episode Sisko does neither.
Garak offers that opinion to Sisko when challenged (by Sisko) so if you choose to accept that at face value you can do so - but the writers (or producers) were very careful to go nowhere near actually having Sisko involved in the assassination. He learns of it after the fact, and beats himself up a little.
Cop-out. That trekkies can't or won't see the difference between the kind of fandom that permits (or demands) that they lionize the creators for this kind of weak sauce and what viewers who weren't sold on the series actually saw when they watched it goes a long way to explaining why trekkies don't understand the tremendous audience abandonment of the Franchise which took place over DS9's run.
