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Top ten worst episodes?

BlueStuff

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There are similar threads in the TOS and DS9 forums, and so I'd like you to cast your minds back, if you're willing, to the dregs of TNG. Which are your worst?

Here's mine:

10. Man of the People
9. Too Short a Season
8. The Outrageous Okona
7. Violations
6. Code of Honor
5. Aquiel
4. Force of Nature
3. Up the Long Ladder
2. Angel One
1. Shades of Gray
 
From "best" to worst....

10.) The Masterpiece Society - boring.

9.) We'll Always Have Paris - more boring.

8.) When the Bough Breaks - mind-numbingly boring

7.) Who Watches the Watchers - so unsubtle it's laughable

6.) The Outrageous Okana - just ridiculous

5.) The Neutral Zone - a boring A-plot and an offensive B-plot

4.) Justice - They could have killed off Wesley but didn't.

3.) Up the Long Ladder - offensive

2.) Code of Honor - offensive

1.) Shades of Grey - not even an episode
 
I generally agree with most of this list, actually, save "Man of the People." That episode has a special place for me because it was actually the first episode I watched that really turned me into a TNG fan.

I don't agree with most TNG fans about episodes like "Sub Rosa" or "Genesis." I will admit that "Sub Rosa" was somewhat odd, but I still enjoyed it. "Genesis" was a creative idea that could have been better executed, but I don't think it was absolutely terrible.

I'd have to add "Captain's Holiday" and "Devil's Due" to any list of the worst episodes.
 
If pressed, I'd take out Man of the People and put Masks in it's place. There are quite a few episodes that could have made the list. Looking at Admiral Shran's list, I agree certainly with The Masterpiece Society (could easily have made my list) and We'll Always Have Paris (why isn't this on my list?) but I've always quite liked parts of Justice, enough to keep it from my very worst.
 
I generally agree with most of this list, actually, save "Man of the People." That episode has a special place for me because it was actually the first episode I watched that really turned me into a TNG fan.

I don't agree with most TNG fans about episodes like "Sub Rosa" or "Genesis." I will admit that "Sub Rosa" was somewhat odd, but I still enjoyed it. "Genesis" was a creative idea that could have been better executed, but I don't think it was absolutely terrible.

I'd have to add "Captain's Holiday" and "Devil's Due" to any list of the worst episodes.

Genesis and Devil's Due I thought were both fun guilty pleasures.
 
In no particular order:

Justice
Code of Honor
Angel One
Sub Rosa
When the Bough Breaks
Lessons
Shades of Grey
The Outrageous Okona
Rascals
The Last Outpost
 
@ Admiral Shran: What did you find so offensive about the B-plot in The Neutral Zone?

And to answer the question, it's hard for me to think of 10 episodes that I didn't like because I liked almost every episode, but a couple episodes that spring to mind are Code of Honor and Masks. Code of Honor was both racist and sexist, and Masks was just a total bore.
 
Off the top of my head and in no particular order:

Cost of Living
New Ground
Justice
Code of Honor
Man of the People
Eye of the Beholder
Suddenly Human
When the Bough Breaks
Liaisons
The Price
 
@ Admiral Shran: What did you find so offensive about the B-plot in The Neutral Zone?

Maybe "offensive" isn't the right word. It's certainly not offensive the way Up the Long Ladder and Code of Honor are offensive. Maybe I should have said "hypocritical." But, in my defense, I do find hypocrisy offensive.

The A-plot involving the return of the Romulans and the first inklings of the Borg had potential, but it was ultimately just boring.

As for the B-plot about the 20th century Humans.... where do I begin. I could just say that SFDebris did an excellent job at tearing this plot completely apart. However, I'll just stick with these quotes from the review which I agree with 100%....

The pomposity of the first season is really quite sickening. You've got a musician, a house-wife and a stock-broker (or venture capitalist, whatever the hell he is) and Riker regards them like the scum of humanity. He wonders how we survived the 20th century based on these three?! Given all the other things we've survived?! Is that really what Trek is telling us? Forget slavery. Don't mention death camps. Don't bother about female circumcision. Never mind suicide bombers. Give up on mass human sacrifice. Choke down your pleas about cannibalism. Forget about torture chambers. If you want to talk about irredeemable human barbarism, look to 1980s America! We'll take Hitler's Final Solution, Jackson's Trail of Tears and Stalin's Purgings (thank you very much!) long before we go back to an era of greedy Wall Street investors and drug abusing country music singers!
PICARD: We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We've grown out of our infancy.

There's two reasons why I really, really despise this bit. One is that you could put just about any agenda into what Picard says and have it make just as much sense because this is based on a presumed social transformation. Suppose you wanted to preach Puritanical ideas about sex - just a few word changes and finishing up by saying we've grown out of our adolescence, and it'd be exactly the same argument. It's towering arrogance to presume that "growing up" means adhering to your own personal values.

But even worse is how hypocritical this message is. If you're a Marxist, that's your business. If you want to preach Marxism, hey, knock yourself out. But the DVDs for Star Trek were astronomical [in price, $140 for one season when they were first released] - because Star Trek is a cash cow, you see. I have a real problem with shelling out that kind of money to acquire something that says it's infantile to acquire things. That seems just a little hypocritical, don't you think?

And it's not just the suits at Paramount or Viacomm that are involved in this. The next episode, The Child, was hastily made because there was a good chance that there was going to be a writer's strike - and there was. It's fine that they wanted more money for their work. But, again, I despise people who preach their tirade against money and then discuss how they're going to get more money for themselves.

And finally, Gene himself wasn't immune to this. Not only did he want his share of Star Trek, he wanted other people's shares to. Did you know there are lyrics to the TOS theme song? Gene wrote lyrics, without the intention of ever using them, for that theme song because in so doing he would get a share of the royalties for the theme. A share taken out of the pocket of the actual composer, I might add. You know, ripping off a composer trying to make a living is bad enough. But then using the show to preach your Marxist agenda is just adding a whole new dimension of being a douche-bag. And yet, what a perfect allegory for 20th century communism, huh? You rip off the guy who is doing the actual work and all the while talk about communist doctrine. Kudos Gene!
This episode sucks. In SFDebris' words.... it's like a Michael Moore documentary about paint drying, preachy and dull.
 
In no particular order:

"Skin of Evil"
"Tapestry"
"Preemptive Strike"
"Thine Own Self" (Data's plot)
"The Pegasus"
"Rightful Heir"
"All Good Things..." (I don't hate it - it's just boring)
"Frame of Mind"

Not ten but 8 episodes y'all probably won't catch me watching...
 
I know it's only an opinion, but that's a good top ten list for me. Different Strokes indeed.
 
In no particular order:

Realm of Fear
Code of Honor
Angel One
Lonely Among Us
Samaritan Snare
Shades of Gray
Force of Nature
New Ground
Imaginary Friend
Eye of the Beholder
 
In no particular order:

"Skin of Evil"
"Tapestry"
"Preemptive Strike"
"Thine Own Self" (Data's plot)
"The Pegasus"
"Rightful Heir"
"All Good Things..." (I don't hate it - it's just boring)
"Frame of Mind"

Not ten but 8 episodes y'all probably won't catch me watching...

I respect your opinion, but I have to ask why episodes like Tapestry, All Good Things, and Frame of Mind are on your worst episodes list. With the exception of Skin of Evil and Rightful Heir, all of those episodes would make my top 50 list if I decided to make one, and a few of those would even make my top 10 list.

Starting with Tapestry, what was it that you didn't like? Again, I respect your opinion, but I'm just curious to know what you didn't like about it. It's tied with The Inner Light for my favorite TNG episode ever, so as you can tell it's an episode that I REALLY like. Just curious to know what you disliked.
 
@ Admiral Shran: You're right, it was hypocritical of Gene and Paramount to preach non-materialism when they were (and still are) milking the Trek franchise to death. Gene was a pretty big hypocrite, yes, but I don't think that we should hold his mistakes against this episode. The message is a good one, and if you can take anything away from it then the episode has succeeded. Speaking for myself, after watching this episode I did step back and reevaluate myself (my spending habits, what's important in life, etc. that sort of thing). I like to think that this episode made at least a little bit of an impression on me. I know that in the last year or so I've significantly cut back on my non-essential spending. Who knows, maybe this episode helped make some of the difference? :)
 
Yeah I think the reason for selecting THOSE three individuals was because A) they were types that were much more familiar to the TV viewing audience, and B) because it allowed for a much lighter comedic tone than if they were a collection of criminals, abusers, and dictators.

And in any case I think they were intended to be a bit exaggerated and cartoonish, to better contrast their shallow, greedy attitude with that of the 24th century.
 
I respect your opinion, but I have to ask why episodes like Tapestry, All Good Things, and Frame of Mind are on your worst episodes list. With the exception of Skin of Evil and Rightful Heir, all of those episodes would make my top 50 list if I decided to make one, and a few of those would even make my top 10 list.

Starting with Tapestry, what was it that you didn't like? Again, I respect your opinion, but I'm just curious to know what you didn't like about it. It's tied with The Inner Light for my favorite TNG episode ever, so as you can tell it's an episode that I REALLY like. Just curious to know what you disliked.

Let me make the answer short and simple. Q! He annoys the living hell out of me! But I will elaborate:

"Tapestry" I didn't like because of seeing Picard get murdered...

Now as far as "All Good Things..." I did like the retelling of the "Encounter at Farpoint" storyarc and that Picard got to revisit the same courtroom from 7 years ago (wow, did they keep that set for all them years?) I just wish that Data and Troi had been there at the trial with Picard at the times he was there in it, like in "Encounter at Farpoint". I would've also liked to have seen Data and Troi with Picard and Q in the prehistoric Earth scene.

When it comes to a finale, a series finale, I want to see action, a bloody, fight-to-the-death, epic battle between the protagonist and the antagonist, not a plot with the main character traveling 7 years in the past, the present, and then 25 in the future to stop an anomaly and then say the anomaly is a threat to mankind because it's the final episode.

Even though (and I'm glad that it was) "All Good Things..." took place before Star Trek: Generations the plot for the movie was much more better and finale-like than the finale we got.
 
"Tapestry" I didn't like because of seeing Picard get murdered...

He didn't get murdered. If you are referring to the bomb going off at the conference, Crusher was able to stabilize him. If you are referring to the fight with the Nausican, that didn't kill him, it just showed an actual event that happened in Picard's life (where he got his artificial heart).

Tapestry is probably in my top 5 of favorite TNG episodes because of the message, that everything in our lives (including the "bad" things) makes us who we are, and if we take away what we consider to be "bad", it would change who we are today. If we didn't like who we were, then that's fine, but if we view ourselves as good and decent people, what we went through made us into that person.

Like Kirk said, "I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain."
 
And in any case I think they were intended to be a bit exaggerated and cartoonish, to better contrast their shallow, greedy attitude with that of the 24th century.

Of course, there's also the problem that this cartoonish and comic B-plot just jack-knifes into what is supposed to be a serious and dramatic story with the Romulans and Borg, thereby robbing it of any kind of tension.
 
In no particular order:

"Skin of Evil"
"Tapestry"
"Preemptive Strike"
"Thine Own Self" (Data's plot)
"The Pegasus"
"Rightful Heir"
"All Good Things..." (I don't hate it - it's just boring)
"Frame of Mind"

Not ten but 8 episodes y'all probably won't catch me watching...

Well once again I just think that list is just silly, the last 6 episodes quite clearly do not come anywhere near to the worst episodes in TNG. You probably have the strangest "taste" I've seen on all of trekbbs to be honest.
 
When it comes to a finale, a series finale, I want to see action, a bloody, fight-to-the-death, epic battle between the protagonist and the antagonist, not a plot with the main character traveling 7 years in the past, the present, and then 25 in the future to stop an anomaly and then say the anomaly is a threat to mankind because it's the final episode.

Well, I thought that the finale they gave us was fun, interesting, exciting, and I liked the way it connected all the way back to the first episode of the series, Encounter at Farpoint, which is another episode I like quite a bit. I'm sorry it wasn't your cup of tea.

Actually, if you don't like Q then I'm surprised that there aren't more Q episodes on your list. Q Who?, Hide and Q, Deja Q, Qpid, True Q.
 
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