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Seven was sorta still alive in Timeless?

Was the Borgette Ding Dong Dead after Voyager crashed in Timeless?

  • Anika was Completely Dead.

    Votes: 6 42.9%

  • Anika was only mostly Dead.

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • Total voters
    14
Guy Gardener

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Two Borg got shot By Picard's Flagship, fell from orbit for what, 2000, 3000 feet? Thumped into densely packed snow, followed by a million tonnes of spinning jaggard, burning metal raining on their new home, and then napped for about a 100 years.

You've seen Timeless?

Seven has less armour, and less nanoprobes in her than a regular Borg, but still her body seemed to have suffered a lot less trauma than those blokes in ENT Regeneration when they woke up happy as Larry and batted Archer around like a punk...

If the Doctor had gently thawed Anika, rather than dug straight into her brain with a scalpel, don't you think there might have possibly been a slight chance that she could have been revived, even after 15 years?
 
I can imagine mostly dead. Her time in the maturation chamber, as indicated by her skull alone indicates extensive modification by the Borg. Her cortical node, holding so much information of other Borg can likely retain a backup of herself as well. If she was frozen quickly enough, the body could be revived with the help of the nanoprobes and the cortical node reactivated. Otherwise, it's time to start looking for loose change.
 
Things to keep in mind...
The FC drones probably still had inertial dampeners operational during the crash which softened the blow somewhat, but nevertheless effectively killed them.
In Timeless, Voyager's inertial dampener were offline, hence why everyone was killed on impact.

On top of that, 7's personal shielding was offline outside of the Collective (except in 'Raven' due to extreme circumstances) and most of her abilities as a drone were 'dampened' (though probably still accessible to her if really necessary).
But, by that time, 7 was already not really thinking as part of the Collective, which probably made her a bit more prone to injuries - note that when the Astrometrics lab was under construction, she cut her palm pretty bad, and as a drone would have regenerated instantly... as opposed to now.

Hence why she was dead in Timeless.
 
If the inertial dampeners were completely off and not just "failing" the crew would have been moving at several times the speed of sound as that planet's atmosphere was slowing Voyager down form .25 C which would have pulped every bone in their bodies as they rattled around that rickety barge like coins in a well shook a half full piggy bank.

If the ship was moving at .25 c with out shields or inertial dampeners, the ships hull would turn into duranium juice, and the crew would transubstantiate into rainbows.

"Sigh"

The script says that the inertial dampeners were offline.

####!

Monkeys with typewriters.
 
Deks said:
Things to keep in mind...
The FC drones probably still had inertial dampeners operational during the crash which softened the blow somewhat, but nevertheless effectively killed them.
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Would the intertial dampeners work after the ship was blown to iddy biddy pieces? The sphere was in worse shape than Voyager was...
 
I assumed the Drones "fell out" of the sphere while it was descending towards the ground, more so than that colliding with the planet forced them back into the air like puss from a rupturing pimple...

I suppose it's also possible that these drones were Frankensteined together from body parts and debris in the wreckage by billions of Nantes running free out side of any working drones.

Also to remember is that the assimilation process was taking hours to effect Archers Crew and amazingly the symptoms were stoppable by 22nd century medicine which means that these Borg were trying to assimilate new Borg with only a tiny tiny fraction of the nanites they'd usually recommend for the job. Evidence suggests that they were running on empty.

Seven might have had more nanites inside her, then these two buggers put together.
 
Didn't the Doctor cut her brain out? If she wasn't dead before, she was after that. One hopes.

Anywho.... IIRC, the drones in "Regeneration" defibrillated themselves back to life. Something in the armour, perhaps, which Ms. Of Nine had removed by the Doc? I don't get how they were alive when all the other Borg died after Pickles snapped Queenie's neck.

Still... fun episode. Not good for thinking at, tho.
 
They were probably offline/mostly-dead when the suicide order was sent.

But yes, (Reread the original post?) that was one of my loosely forwarded points.

The Doctor murdered Seven of Nine.

:)

So if Little orphan Annie had woken up... Would she have gone along with Harry's plan?

Or would Seven have been the voice of reason and asked not to be murdered with time travel only minutes later after getting her life back from the desperate clutch of a rather large snowdrift?

Her "Survival Instinct" is just too strong to side with those two nutbars and their infinicide kick.

And then the hero of the Takara Sector could have gone home with Geordie, and had a victory threesome with Leah.

Leah LaForge?

Does she think that she is a character from Superman?
 
The_Baron said:
Deks said:
Things to keep in mind...
The FC drones probably still had inertial dampeners operational during the crash which softened the blow somewhat, but nevertheless effectively killed them.
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Would the intertial dampeners work after the ship was blown to iddy biddy pieces? The sphere was in worse shape than Voyager was...
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But Borg ships are far more resilient and persistent buggers compared to Federation ships as evidenced on-screen.
It wouldn't surprise me if the inertial dampers would still be partly operational which in the long run would help in reviving those drones pulled out of the ice in 'Regeneration'.

Then again, 7 of 9 was also well preserved by the ice, so it's possible that if the nanoprobes in her body were re-activated, then maybe she'd end up alive - unless there was too much internal damage for the nanoprobes to repair.
They probably can repair extreme injuries, but certain others might be so far gone that even the nanoprobes couldn't repair them.
In short - the FC drones damage was relatively contained and repairable by the nanoprobes, whereas for 7, the end result was not the same - plus she wasn't a drone anymore.
 
Well....yeah, they're more resilient, but if you dismantle something with high-yield anti-matter explosives you wouldn't expect even the lightbulbs to still work, let alone a complicated-ship wide intertial dampener network....
 
If Seven can assimilate others, then she can assimilate herself.

As a defensive posture, SEven of Nine's nanites while "trying" to bring her back to life, could not only fully Borg the girl out but her nanites could over Borg young Miss Hansen completely to the position of building and cocooning a regeneration alcove "around her"...

And who's to say that her nanites ever turned off?

These are things the nanites could do if they had direct orders, or they were following contingencies set in place before Seven got into trouble, or if another Borg decided to help out, but nanites don't seem to have any appreciable sentience, so it's not like they could set up a plan of action by themselves.
 
The_Baron said:
Well....yeah, they're more resilient, but if you dismantle something with high-yield anti-matter explosives you wouldn't expect even the lightbulbs to still work, let alone a complicated-ship wide intertial dampener network....
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Did you forget when it was stated that a Borg ship could continue to operate even if 70% of it was rendered non-operational?
That was in the early days when the Borg assimilated Picard in BoBW.
The Sphere that crash-landed in FC was about a decade more advanced.
The Borg also changed technologically in that time frame as well.
Perhaps the drones personal shields had some inertial damping properties that took the brunt of the assault but ultimately killed them (though as I said, it was limited enough for the Nanoprobes to repair).
The section of the ship itself could have been better shielded as well despite the explosive destruction.
 
A. Most TV writers are scientifically illiterate and do not understand such things as inertial dampers.

B. Most TV writers are scientifically illiterate and do not understand such things as time travel paradoxes.

C. Seven's first duty has always been to the group she considers her Collective (whether Borg or Voyager). She would not put her own life ahead of her shipmates.
 
But she's put her shipmates ahead of everyone in the universe?

The Borg can use this this technology because their endgame is to assimilate everyone in the universe eventually, yes even the Kazon, after they're matured a little, and actually have something worthwhile to bring to the party, and that is in the interest of everyone in the universe to be assimilated. The maqns justify the ends.

(I think this a logical argument for the positive merits of Nazi Genocide?)

Screwing over the universe to benefit the universe vs screwing over the universe to benefiut 150 people?
 
At that point, Seven had ceased to think of the Borg as her Collective. She thought of the VOYAGER CREW as her Collective, and therefore would put THEM and their well-being as her first priority. If that meant sacrificing her own well-being, or even her life, she would do it (as she was willing to do in "Think Tank" and other episodes).
 
The entire universe.

They obviously figured out a way to counter the Borg the 80s, but did harry think to help out the past by giving them the cheat codes to take out an enemy that had the power to eat the entire AQ?

No, all that letter had was some boohoo weepy simp sentiments about how Chakotay's girlfriend won't sleep with him.
 
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